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Queenzombie (1 stories) (39 posts)
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13 years ago (2012-05-11)
Rook: First, I would like to know what your opinion on what dmcal had to say about there not being any ghosts, just demons pretending to be ghosts. I want to hear from you because I follow a lot of what you post and look up to what you have to say.:)

Dmcal: Where do you get all of your info? I know the bible, but why is it that you say demons are pretending to be ghosts? What about the people who see their family members as ghosts? They're really demons? IF this is true then that scares the hell out of me!
rookdygin (24 stories) (4458 posts)
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13 years ago (2012-05-11)
Pardon the interruption...

Dmcal

A Great Man once said...

"I am not going to drive a man or woman to Heaven. A great many think that they will be able to flog people into Heaven, but this can never be done, for the intelligence in us is as independent as Gods. People are not to be driven and you can put into a gnat's eye all the souls of the children of men that are driven into Heaven by preaching hell-fire. You may know whether you are lead right or wrong, as well as you know the way home; for every principle God has revealed carries it's own convictions of it's Truth."

How is this 'conviction' carried over to us? Well for starters there is this...

"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matt 7:14 Having quoted that everyone, every individual on this earth must walk their own path... Make their own choices and if they choose well then they find their way to the 'Strait Gate'. How may an individual 'choose well' using their free agency? Try these words from another Individual...

"Our Physical body is designed to help us function in this physical world. We see, hear, fell, touch, smell and taste only that which is physical. Since the Holy Spirit is not a physical being, we must communicate with him through non-physical means, This isn't hard to do because we are not entirely made up of our mortal bodies. They are merely a covering for our spirit body. Thus, inside this physical frame dwells a spirit that can see, feel, touch, smell, taste and hear things of a spirit nature.

If that is so, then how does one spirit speak to another if they don't use physical tongues and ears? The answer is simple: The same way we talk to ourselves. Our thoughts are nothing more than us-a spirit-talking to ourselves. In effect, it's a spirit talking to a spirit. Likewise when the Holy Ghost speaks, it's voice comes to us in the form of a thought. In other words we hear his voice inside our mind."

Having said all that I do not believe you have ever addressed my question concerning the Resurrection...

If those spirits that are 'in Christ' go DIRECTLY to HEAVEN... And those that are not go DIRECTLY to HADES... Then why will there be a Final Resurrection, where our Spirit Bodies will be rejoined with our Perfected Physical Bodies to stand before the Judgement Seat? Just Curious. 😁

Respectfully,

Rook
dmcal (21 posts)
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13 years ago (2012-05-11)
Hi Cindanela,

First of all, yes, you are dealing with demonic beings, as these are fallen angels, also called unclean spirits as well as familiar spirits. The reason that I am certain that you are not dealing with human spirits is because the word of God states that for those who are in Christ, when they die, their souls depart from the body and go to be in his presence. However, for the person who is not in Christ, when they die, they go into Hades which is a temporary place of torment within the heart of the earth. The point is that, God does not allow human spirits--whether saved or unsaved--to wander around after death. This idea of human spirits wandering around the earth after death has been created and promoted by Satan and these demonic beings and has been perpetuated by the human race themselves.

The first mistake was calling on a medium, because it is sin to do so. For the word of God says, "Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God." This is of course from the old testament, but it still applies to us today and that because we are only to seek after God and not any other spirits, not even holy angels, as some do.

Understand this, mediums have no special powers. What is happening is, because they are open to receive spirits, these demonic beings project information to them and that to make them believe whatever they want and in turn humans believe what the medium tells them. And the second mistake was calling upon a Shawman, which falls into the same catagory.

Furthermore, demonic beings are not bothered in the least by sage, smudging or candles as these are pagan rituals. The reason that they are also designated as familiar spirits is because they know events and people whom they are familiar with. To give you an example, people who are having supernatural events taking place in their homes may see an apparition of a little girl or a military soldier or something to that affect and because they have believed the lie that human spirits are responsible for hauntings, they will go to the county courthouse and look up any events that have taken place, such as murders or any deaths that have take place at the residence or if the house is built over burial grounds. And when they find out that the answer is "Yes", then it confirms to them that the haunting is human. What they don't know is that these are demonic beings masquarding as human entitiies and are the ones that are reenacting the events that took place in the house. Why do they do this? Because, by getting people to believe that human spirits are the cause of these events, we have more and more people going out as ghost hunters, holding seances, tarot card readings, channeling, using Ouija boards and so on. So what is wrong with this? For one, for those who engage in these activities, it keeps them separated from God because they are sinning against him and two, it also opens up the door for demonic beings to interact in the individuals life to encroach, oppress and possibly possess.

To be sure, there is only one type of entity that anyone is going to make contact with by being involved with the afore mentioned activities and that is demonic beings. The only true casting out of these beings is through Jesus Christ. It is by the power and authority of God in the name of Jesus that they must obey, period! They will do whatever they can to deceive, for the word of God says that it is Satan and his angels that are leading the whole world astray.

My advice to you is to call upon God in the name of his Son Jesus Christ who shed his blood for you. These beings know that there is a day of torment for them, that one day they will be throne into the lake of fire. Take some time and read about these demonic beings, for Jesus and the disciples/Apostles were driving them out left and right. To read about a man that was possessed by thousands of demons collectively called "Legion" read Luke 8:26-39.
rookdygin (24 stories) (4458 posts)
 
13 years ago (2012-05-11)
cindanela,

While everything you have described is frightening and scary as all get out (and Hopefully not the basis for a screenplay), I (my opinion folks) I fail to see where this is something Demonic. Your Shaman and the Medium from Hawaii both would of (should of) picked up on this fact if it was so. They also should have told you as it is far harder to rid oneself of a Demonic Attachment than it is to get rid of a Malevolent Spirit /Entity.

Please try this Method for yourself and your home, I use it for myself, my Home and my Family and many others here on site have had positive results using it...

Recipe for a Home Cleansing/Shielding... (allow for two or 3 days to complete)

Day one: Open all curtains window and doors with screens installed, let fresh air and sunshine into the home. Have all closets, cabinets and other 'dark spaces' open so that as much natural light as possible can enter those spaces. After 2-3 hours take a broom and 'sweep' out each room (this is symbolic and you do not have to really sweep) focus your thoughts on sweeping (pushing) out all negative energies / entities /thoughts. Close home up after completing each room of your home... Please do not forget your garage if you have one. (Optional) Light incense (sandalwood or Dragons-blood works well for me) and let aroma fill the home, and/or play a tape that contains your favorite Church/Positive, Upbeat (songs that give you good thoughts) songs before you begin sweeping.

Day two (or three): Once again open all curtains, windows and doors. Take a White candle (Optional) to the center most point of the home, sit on the floor and place candle in front of you. Light the candle (visualize a white ball of light) and then focus on the flame... Visualize the flame (white light) filled with positive thoughts, energy. (Say a prayer at this time if you so desire... Ask for cleansing positive energy to fill the candles flame/white light). Hold this 'image' in your mind and then visualize the flame (light) slowly expanding outward, visualize it filling the room your in, every corner and 'dark space'. Continue to visualize it expanding...it's outer edges pushing away (burning away) any and all negative energies/entities out and away from each room in your home. Once you have visualized this flame (light) filling your entire home, picture it expanding to your property lines. Hold this image in your mind for a few moments then visualize 'anchoring' this flame (light) where you are sitting which is the center most point of your home. Once you have done this. Take a deep breath, relax a few moments and then blow out the candle. (If you didn't use a candle just let yourself relax a moment or two.) "

Now you can create a shield for yourself using the 'home shield' technique but instead of focusing on your home visualize the 'flame' simply surrounding you instead of your home... Best time to do this is after a nice shower using a rosemary scented soap (rosemary is good for purification and protection.)

Please ask any questions you may have... You may even show this to your Shaman and ask about it.

Again I don't think that this is 'Demonic' though it may want you to think that it is as that adds to the fear, confusion and negativity building with-in the household... The sort of environment that this sort of Spirit /Entity seems to 'Thrive' in.

Please keep us updated.

Respectfully,

Rook
cindanela (1 stories) (7 posts)
 
13 years ago (2012-05-10)
So far the kids seem safe, we try to keep it minimal around them. One theory that we have a ghost haunting with the demon provoking it.

Ill try the vinegar and salt thing. Ill keep updating. I sent in a pic of the scratches that appeared on my back last night.
Queenzombie (1 stories) (39 posts)
 
13 years ago (2012-05-10)
SCARY!

Since its attached to you, moving won't help right? Has it done anything to the children?

Without a doubt (I'm not an expert though) in my opinion I would say this is demonic. It reminds me of paranormal activity. Remember, she got possessed and the fiance was killed? Maybe your innocent family should leave the house until you know what is going on?

I know that asking a demonic force to leave is different then asking a ghost. I wouldn't try that until you know for sure. Apparently asking a demon to leave is like inviting him in.

Ugh, as I type this I have goosebumps and the skin on my neck feels like the little hairs are standing on end, that's how much this freaks me out. SCARY!

Let me know! Thanks!
supernaturalservices (86 posts)
 
13 years ago (2012-05-10)
This does sound demonic. What you need to do is start saying powerful prayers of protection. Also repeating psalm 91 and 71 out loud and feeling the energy they invoke can create a psychic shield around you and your house. They have to be said every day. Make it a habit. Also leaving out bowls of white vinegar mixed with sea salt can help clear out astral emanations. Let it evaporate into the air. It seems like you may need more help than that. If that is the case feel free to pm me and we can figure something out. I am willing to help. The things I already gave will help reduce the problem, if not get rid of it though.

Also take baths with sea salt in the water.

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