Comments for Experiences Throughout My Life: Page 1

Bbrave,
You don't really expect us to try and change your mind, do you? You stated your case and that's it. The burden does not rest upon us to convince you otherwise. You go with your theory, I'll go with mine. Simple as that.

Jav

[at] Lou

Not at all I just believe there are elements to it a power surge can not explain. Unless I'm mistaken a given theory meant to explain something has to be able to explain the things that took place during the event to be a valid explanation.

Since no one has yet been able to explain why and I'm giving the benefit of the doubt here. Two out of three electrical devices were effected by the surge while the third was not. At least not as you think it would have been.

Since there is no mention of the computer having it's own power source an overabundance of energy such as that created by a power surge would and should cause it to shut down. Or at the very least restart but did not

Also a power surge can not explain why she felt afraid throughout the night so I simply do not believe that to be the cause. Since it doesn't explain all the elements of her story and therefore can not be to blame.

You mentioned my credibility which I believe has been unaffected by simply disagreeing with a theory that has too many holes. Is it possible there was a power surge yes. Do I believe it to be the cause of her experience no.

When someone can explain why all but the computer shut off. And why she felt frightened until sunrise with the power surge theory I'll believe it until then I hold my ground and belief that nature had nothing to do with her situation.

If disagreeing with the masses on this somehow makes me less credible then so be it. Because I'll know that it's due to me simply not falling into line as expected and not because my credibility is bad.

Bbrave...
So by your path of logic, paranormal activity is more common than power surges and therefore, all should be considered paranormal until proven otherwise...frankly, that is polar opposite of typical paranormal investigative techniques. You are welcome to your own beliefs, and like I said before, you could be right about this being paranormal... But most people who study this stuff live with the motto, "when in doubt, throw it out"...in other words, if it could have been something else other than a paranormal source, it likely was; and if it can be explained a way, it probably should be. Your position would be much more credible, and your adamant stance much more appreciated if you were the O/P and had a dog in this fight... There are plenty of stories with substantial unexplained occurrences, why you chose this one to defend is everyone's guess. So here is mine... Either you know the O/P, are the O/P, or you were more interested in picking a fight than making a point.

Lou

I am really really going to regret this, but how does one even take a picture of a power surge? That has my mind completely blown right now...

Addy, Jav is right. It does very much sound like a power surge. That one particular incident at least with the tingling fingers. And definitely look into SLI, you do sound like you fit that bill.

Now the knocking on your closet door is interesting. Usually an animal in the wall can make all sorts of racket, but knocking is a unique sound. I guess do you hear a scruffling or scratching sound as well? If you have things in your wall, that could definitly be a reason why your dog barks at parts of a wall. Even if they're in different sections of your house, if they can get into one spot, they can get into another. If you have mice in your walls, they could bite into electrical wiring and therefore you'd have even more electrical issues at hand. You may really want to investigate this, for safety more than anything.

[at] AddyFails

I apologize for the spirited debate. I know it gave no answers and just wasted space. It was not my intention when I commented. I do have a couple of questions though
One what model of computer was it a desk or laptop? And two if it was a desk top did it share the same power source as the television?

Whenever you can get around to answering those questions I'd appreciate it thanks

[at] Lou

It's funny how no one ever once thought I could be talking about photos of the internal damage a power surge would've caused say the television for example.

Photos of a busted picture tub or other internal damage would prove beyond a doubt what it was would it not? Maybe just maybe you should try thinking a bit more before talking. I know power surges exist however since I was not there and only have the op's story to go on I can't say with any certainty it was a power surge.

Also even with surge protectors in place electrical devices still TURN off when a large enough surge takes place! Since that's how surge protectors work they do not allow the excess power to flow through their circuits to the devices plugged in.

Or am I missing something? Oh yes if you read the comments carefully you'd have seen I was just using that as an example. Fact is a power surge big enough to shut down the television. Would have had the same effect on the computer as well and that's assuming it turned off the clock as well.

Unless the computer had it's own power source and was not a desktop model. Questions no one bothered to ask or something no one even bothered to consider since it is an electrical device. Only a laptop or netbook running on battery power would've been safe from the surge.

A desktop model would and should have been affected as well. So until someone can either prove it had it's own power source or prove me wrong I simply can not believe it being due to natural causes.

I'll have to agree with Bbrave on this one. I believe in ghosts but I don't believe in power surges. That is why all states require ghost protectors on all outlets now! Ha-ha!
I can't believe you actually said you would need photographic evidence of a power surge; but never once required the same for a paranormal entity.
You don't have to prove to us that ghosts exist, that is why we are here... But nobody with any salt is going to think ghost first, naturally occurring anomoly second... We prefer to preserve a little bit of credibility and proper investigative technique with each individual case. This may very well have been a paranormal event, but until you explain away all the normal possibilities, you cannot assume.

Lou

[at] Jav

You're right you aren't worth the effort. So in closing have a nice day

[at] Bbrave,

Some days it just isn't worth bothering. Especially when you run across someone that, no matter how patient people are with them, they just want to have their little fit. You go right on ahead there Bbrave. You have that fit. Kick your legs and scream as loud as you like, I could care less. I don't owe you anything. You don't want to play nice. You just want to complain, and loudly at that. And that's all there is to it. You don't need to have manners, not when all you really want to do is gripe. No one jumped ugly on you, you did that all on your own. Go ahead, keep it up. Yell and scream about Javelina. Tell the world what an awful thing I have done to you. Do and say what you will. But next time you come looking for a fight with the Old Javelina...
GET IN LINE!

Jav

So then this 'back and forth' is over with? I hope so cause the 'name calling' is unnecessary and not helping the O/P at all.

Respectfully,

Rook

[at] Jav

First off I'm not trying to get you to accept anything you do not believe. I could not care less about doing so honestly! Believe what ever you will makes absolutely no difference to me one way or the other.

Stop trying to make this about yourself would you? Why would you even assume that you're somehow important enough to me to want to make you believe as I do? I don't even know you and even if I did I still would not give a lime green pimp suit wearing rat's behind about making you believe what I do about any situation!

The more I try not to become rude with you the more nonsense you start spouting. For the last time I DO NOT CARE ABOUT MAKING YOU BELIEVE AS I DO! You have a right to believe what ever the flip you want and I respect that.

Since I expect the same in return learn to recognize the difference between someone disagreeing with you and someone trying to change your beliefs

Listen Bbrave,
We all have that little voice that says things to us, and we all think ours is right too. In the end, it is up to the O/P. All we can do is give it our best guess. That's it. You can't force me to accept a theory I don't agree with. Nor can anyone force you to see the logic of ours. I will say this though, everyone that has put a word in this discussion in the last couple of hours, has been at this for quite a few years. We call for a much higher standard when it comes investigating a possible paranormal event. It is not something we take lightly.

Jav

[at] Jav

Battery back ups must have been a laptop or netbook. I've not heard of a desk top with such a feature. I don't think there would be room for a battery the way desktops are constructed

[at] Rook

I'm not trying to convince any one of anything. I already believe it was not due to normal circumstances.
Anyway I do agree that the older tv's do make loud noises as they're shut off. It's just something tells me it wasn't due to natural causes

[at] Jav

Yes it's frustrating and maybe it was a power surge.
A little voice tells me differently though. I can't explain it but this voice is usually right too. Anyway
If at any point I began to sound like a jerk I appologize

Bbrave,

I would say that depends on the age of the TV, the older ones with the old school tube technology especially, tend to make a loud sound as they shut down... Even newer ones that have been on for a long time, which the O/P admits to, make a noise due to the static discharge coming off the screen.

I have yet to experience a digital clock produce any sort of noise, unless it's a clock radio...then, if the radio is on there may be a noise IF the cause of the power surge is a lightning strike near the home... But surges can be caused by may different things...

It also seems as if the DVD player shut down, but the TV may not have..."As the light faded from the room and seemed to revert back into the television"...the 'odd warmth' may have been due to a brief interruption of ventilation due to a power surge.

Look, your entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine and I did find this an interesting experience, but I have personal experiences with more than one power surge and I am quite comfortable saying that there is a 'GOOD CHANCE' that this one part of the O/P experiences has a non-paranormal explanation. While you seem 'stuck' on trying to convince yourself and others that a 'Spirit (s) ' caused everything the O/P has experienced.

We must eliminate every possible 'natural' cause before we can consider the paranormal. If there is one 'rule of thumb' every good investigator should follow when it comes to possible evidence / experiences...'When in doubt, throw it out.'

Rook

Bbrave,
The computer and clock both have a battery back up. Televisions do not.

Jav

Bbrave,
That is the frustration of us all. When you come here, you must realize that most of us are here for the same reason. We all know it exists. The proof is what we are working on. In our hearts it has all made sense for a long time. But it is too easy to call everything paranormal. And if we want to be taken seriously, we have to look at all sides of each situation. We do have to be honest in each and every attempt, it is the best we can offer.

Jav

[at] Granny

I've already done so actually. I was trying to thank her for providing me with a link to some previous story.

[at] Rookdygin

Maybe but if the surge was big enough for the tv to go off and produce a loud sound then the computer and clock should've as well.

[at] Javelina

I read the story just don't believe a power surge big enough to cause her tv to make a loud sound as it went off would not have caused the computer to go off as well. Even if the clock and tv both turned off oh and not all the time will there be a chill in the room because a spirit is present.

That happens when they manifest because they use the energy in the room to do so. Which causes a sudden drop in temperature

BbraveL I'm afraid I have to interject and ask that you visit Jave's profile... There you'll see that not only is she a firm believer as yourself, she has had many experiences as well 😊

[at] Javelina

You're right electricity is provable. However that doesn't mean the existence of spirits is not. I've had an encounter with one manifesting so I know for a fact they exist. I've experienced the sudden drop in room temperature associated with the manifesting of a spirit as well as the fear that goes along with it.

My grandmother visited me the day of her funeral. And I knew it was her just from the energy I felt as she stood in the doorway to my father's room watching me as I tried to sleep that night. I've had experiences all my life that have proven to me beyond a doubt that the spirit world exists.

I'm sure you know the earth was once considered to be flat. Until some brave souls proved otherwise, Horses were believed to be the ultimate method of travel until Henry Ford and his model T came along, and personal computers were once considered to be impossible to create yet they exist.

Understand this just because you can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And the demanding of solid proof will forever keep you from seeing the truth.

The wind can't be seen unless it's in the form of a tornado or hurricane yet you believe in it. So what makes it so hard to believe that a whole world unknown to the living could exist?

There's much we do not know so open your mind to the possibilities and the proof will show itself to you

AddyFails: I have a few questions for you...First, how old is your house and where is your room in proximity to the bathroom and main heating/cooling vent (the one that comes directly from the unit before it breaks up into the smaller ones throughout the house)?...This is where keeping a journal would come in handy because you can document the times you hear the knocking and note whether the heat/ac had just clicked on or not... If you see a pattern then it probably isn't paranormal in nature...

And about the power surge; I've had surges that didn't knock my computer off... Off line, yes, but the computer actually stayed on...I'd say it's rare, but not impossible at all... With electricty, just like the paranormal, anything's possible... Everyone I know assumes that 110V can't electrocute a person, but given the right circumstances it will kill you... So your fingertips may have held enough of a charge (especially if Jave's theory about you being a SLIder is correct) to maintain the flow of electricity to the computer?...Stranger things have happened 😆...

Bbrave,

I think you are confusing a power surge for a power outage... In an outage everything turns off... If it's brief surge then some things will shut off...TV's for example but others things like clocks or internet connections will simply 're-set' or in the case of the O/P's chat window... Loose it's connection... Which with a simple click can be reestablished... So once again I point out the O/P' description of events...

"Two nights ago, at around 1:30 AM, I was up talking to one of my friends on MSN. He was telling me about his experience with a Ouija board and the girl he contacted. As soon as we'd started getting freaked out by it, the TV in my room, which had been stuck on a menu screen of a DVD for a few days because I'd been too lazy to unplug it and reset it, turned off with a really loud noise. As the light faded from the room and seemed to revert back into the television, this odd warmth came over the room. Simultaneously, the clock in the room started flashing and my chat client disconnected and my fingers started stinging and I couldn't move for about 30 seconds."

This sounds like some kind of power surge to me... The TV turned off, the DVD reset and the clock began flashing as if it had temporarily lost power, not to mention it sounds as if power was interrupted enough to effect the 'chat server' or at least the O/P's connection to it. It also sounds as if the O/P may have 'caught' a bit of the charge that caused it... As evidenced by the 'stinging' in her fingers.

While I'm not sure what the O/P may have experienced, based on the evidence given for this 'one event' it sounds very plausible that it was a power surge.

Rook

Brave,
I'm sorry, but you must not be reading what the rest of us are reading.

~The lights went dark.
~The TV went off.
~The clock started flashing, just like it would had it gone off momentarily.
~She FELT it in her hands.
~The room had a strange WARMTH to it. NOT a chill, as you would expect from a spirit.

Jav

[at] Javelina

I haven't jumped to any conclusions about what you believe. Why you think I did I do not know besides this isn't about that and you know it. What it's about is the holes your theory contains.

Since the only possible ways those three devices would have different reactions to a power surge would be for them to all have their own power source!

But since that has not been mentioned to be the case one can only conclude that they share the same power source. Which would mean they all should have turned off due to the surge

They did not so that rules out a power surge. You see I'm making my judgement based on more than a lack of photographic evidence. The fact that only one out of three devices turned off makes no sense if it was due to a natural event. A fact which I've taken into account

Please do not make assumptions about me or my actions.
You do not know me and making assumptions about someone you do not know is foolish. As I've said before a power surge would explain everything had the television, computer, and clock all turned off. Not just the tv so therefore a power surge can't be the cause of the event

[at] Bbrave,
Please don't take this the wrong way, but you must understand something here. What you are calling proof of it being paranormal, is only your OPINION. That is not proof. However, electricity is provable. Power surges and black outs are provable. I happen to know a little bit about that myself, as my father was an electrician. That we are certain, along with the rest of the world, that electricity does exist. Those of us that wish we could prove the spirit world exists, cannot go by the argument you are using. You have no SOLID proof of anything. Standing around saying that you see it one way and others see it another, is called stating an opinion. Not proof. Be very careful with that word, don't throw it around so casually. If we want to be taken seriously in these matters, there has to be physical proof. That's simply the truth.

Jav

Bbrave,

I think what you are 'looking for' can be found here, The O/P stated...

"Two nights ago, at around 1:30 AM, I was up talking to one of my friends on MSN. He was telling me about his experience with a Ouija board and the girl he contacted. As soon as we'd started getting freaked out by it, the TV in my room, which had been stuck on a menu screen of a DVD for a few days because I'd been too lazy to unplug it and reset it, turned off with a really loud noise. As the light faded from the room and seemed to revert back into the television, this odd warmth came over the room. Simultaneously, the clock in the room started flashing and my chat client disconnected and my fingers started stinging and I couldn't move for about 30 seconds."

This sounds like some kind of power surge to me... The TV turned off, the DVD reset and the clock began flashing as if it had temporarily lost power, not to mention it sounds as if power was interrupted enough to effect the 'chat server' or at least the O/P's connection to it. It also sounds as if the O/P may have 'caught' a bit of the charge that caused it... As evidenced by the 'stinging' in her fingers.

While I'm not sure what the O/P may have experienced, based on the evidence given for this 'one event' it sounds very plausible that it was a power surge.

AddyFails,

Keep a journal, compare notes with your mother or any other Family members in your home... Then set about to debunk them... The ones that you can find absolutely no 'natural reason' for are the 'paranormal ones'. For there you can find a way to best deal with what may be happening in your home.

Please keep us updated and ask any questions you may have.

Respectfully,

Rook

[at] Javelina

First off I should state I'm in no way trying to be a jerk towards you. You never accused me of being I just felt like making that clear.

Secondly her tv went off with a loud sound out of the three electronic devices in the room. While the computer stayed on and the clock as well. Doesn't that sound too odd for a power surge since all three devices would have gone off! Then there is the fallen urn a power surge can't explain that!

A power surge can't explain all the happenings that's what you're missing. And that's what I'm trying to point out. What can explain all those things is the events being caused by a supernatural being!

Since the tv, clock, and computer all run on electricity they all should've turned off but just the tv did. If it was due to a power surge that means it selectively targeted just the tv! Last I checked electricity was not alive and doesn't have intelligence to do that!

It would take an intelligent being to cause 3 different electronic devices to act in three different ways. A power surge would cause the same effect in all of those devices. Before you say it was a power surge you must first be able to explain all the happenings with that theory

You're theory can't explain any of those since only one of the devices went off leaving the other two on. However mine can explain all the events by attributing them to an intelligent being.

There's a lack of proof in your theory and it's more than just photos. However I just used photos as an example since the power surge would've caused damage to the devices and left physical evidence to be seen.

I know why these people have posted here and instead of giving a reason that would explain half of the events had all the devices went off to the original poster. I have given a reason that could explain them all and actually makes more sense than a power surge

Unless the op forgot to mention the computer and clock turning off as well.

It's possible your dog is hearing gophers under the ground, which might explain why he'll just start staring. We have gophers out where I live, too... I know this for a fact cause they keep tearing up our garden and leaving these lumps of soil all over. If you have small piles of unearthed dirt just sitting randomly in your lawn, where none was before... Definitely a gopher, or a mole, or some other ground-dwelling animal.

That's alright Bbrave,
You do know there are such things as power surges, and the reverse of that being the electrical blackout, right? I'm simply trying to get a read on what you would consider a natural cause for what the O/P experienced. Understand, this is how most of us go about determining just what occurred. We eliminate all natural and outside elements before anything else. If it cannot be explained away, then at the end you may have a paranormal event. When folks ask for assistance in these matters it's usually because they have gotten to the point of frustration, fear, and sometimes plain old curiosity. The best thing you can do for that person is be honest and go through the process of elimination into what else it might have been first thing. That is SOP in any sort of investigation. Why? Because it works.
Don't jump to any conclusions about what I do and don't believe in Bbrave, just as I will try not to think of you not believing in electrical surges simply for the lack of a photograph.

Jav

Jav

[at] Javelina

What do I think it was an entity. Because no photos showing any physical evidence of a power surge taking place have been furnished I can't believe it was a power surge. Furthermore entities have been known to be able to interfere with electronic devices which is why emf detectors are used during ghost hunts. Since the presence of a ghost can effect em fields.

Also they can interact with people and objects after having gained enough power. So until evidence to the contrary surfaces I can't attribute those events to a power surge.

I had an experience when watching a video on my phone which was plugged into the charger. The video mysteriously paused though I did not take the action for it to do so. Does that mean I experienced a power surge?

I'm not saying for certain it wasn't just that not enough evidence has been presented to say for sure it was. To conclude so just from reading a story is jumping the gun

Bbrave,
Aaah, perhaps you should read that again. There was much more going on, or off, than a chat session, to which she never returned, by the way. I am fairly certain most of us use surge suppressers with our computers, but you never can tell... Household wiring, under new code, is now surge protected at each outlet.

"TV in my room, which had been stuck on a menu screen of a DVD for a few days because I'd been too lazy to unplug it and reset it, turned off with a really loud noise. As the light faded from the room and seemed to revert back into the television, this odd warmth came over the room. Simultaneously, the clock in the room started flashing and my chat client disconnected and my fingers started stinging and I couldn't move for about 30 seconds. As soon as I could move again, I ran out of the room and hid in the bathroom for awhile and then sat outside my aunt's bedroom for about 3 hours until sunrise."

So, what do you think made her fingers sting and the loud noise when the TV went out?

Jav

The best advice you've gotten and I can give is to remain calm. As it's been said by others that have commented is that entities feed off of fear and in turn gain power. Remaining calm will deny them that power leaving it in your hands. I know it works for me as for your chat client disconnecting it doesn't sound like a electrical surge.

You can be curios about the subject being so isn't bad. Just stay away from things such as Ouija boards. The use of such things opens up portals which allow bad things to enter this world.

[at] Javelina thanks for the link for the one story it was a good read. I find it difficult to believe a power surge caused her chat client to disconnect.

A power surge would have turned the computer off completely and not simply have targeted her chat client. Power surges aren't intelligent and can't pin point their targets.

Now that might be able to explain stereos randomly turning on with the sound all the way up. But even that seems unlikely as a power surge would most likely cause a short in whatever electronic device it effects. Unless it's protected by a surge protector

I think it's just anxiety. And I'm not being mean. I have anxiety myself and overthink everything.

I also have a very keen interest in the paranormal, ghosts, haunting, etc. I have never seen or heard anything out of the ordinary. My husband and I will stay up until all hours of the night watching horror movies, we sleep with all light and sounds off, and I am a very light sleeper. All of which I imagine would be perfect for an entity to take full advantage of. So I believe that a mere "interest" in spirits, at least based off of my experience, doesn't account for what you are experiencing. I think that either you are psyching yourself out, or you probably have some kind of abilities that I do not possess. I firmly believe that some people are more inclined or privy to seeing the world in which some don't believe exists, my husband being one of them. However, if you continue to feel that your presence is unwelcome or that you are being violated, a common way to keep "spirits" or what-have-you at bay is simply by asking them to stop or admitting to them that they are scaring you. Bad spirits may in a sense feed off of fear, but generally, from what I've read, the average trapped spirit will leave you alone if you ask it to. It seems simple, but it may be worth a try.

As far as the stereo turning on I have to agree with Javelina, (excellent article btw) but the other stuff sounds as though something is trying to get your attention but it doesn't appear to want to cause you harm maybe it just wants you to notice it, and the other commenters are correct if you give off strong feelings of fear it can attach to that. So with that being said if stuff happens again just close your eyes breath until you become more calm and firmly tell it to go away that that is your space and that it is not welcome there. Hope that helped some:)

AddyFails,
First things first. You need to tell someone about the electrical surge that occurred when you were online with your friend. What you've described does not sound paranormal in nature. From the description you gave, it sounds like a surge of electricity, which could be very dangerous if not attended to. So please, report what you experienced to your aunt, or whoever is responsible for handling these things, as soon as possible.
This does not mean that you have not experienced spiritual contact in your life, or that your room is a death trap. However, when it comes to researching any incident that has a potential for being paranormal, all natural causes must be eliminated before making any type of judgement call. This is the first rule of paranormal research.
The symptoms you have been experiencing throughout your life that have to do with the effect you have on stereos is very intriguing. I have another idea about what this could be. I have something similar myself. For years it bothered me that I seemed to have an effect on electrical devices. Not all of them, but certainly a select few. I would mention it to others as it occurred, only to see them roll their eyes and sigh. I got to the point where I no longer said anything about it to anyone. Why bother? Then one day I was surfing the net looking for information on an outdoor lighting project we were planning for our back yard, when I stumbled across an item in my Google search that made me snap to attention. "Street Light Interference", SLI for short. It is the effect some people have on electrical devices, starting with street lights, and that is how it got it's name. We call ourselves 'SLIders', and the phenomenon has received enough attention for studies to be conducted that focus on how/why some of us can unconsciously have an effect on these devices. We can't control it, or 'make' it happen. It just happens.
Here is a link to an article about SLI. Or you can simply Google "SLIders/ Street Light Interference" if you want to look further. Just remember to to use upper case for the first three letters in the word, and lower case for the rest.

Http://paranormal.about.com/od/telekinesispsychokinesis/a/aa052508.htm

Jav 😊

I agree with "Talon_Angel". Your fear is what entities/ghosts etc... Feed off of and when they know they have you where they want you it gets dangerous. Be firm with them when you feel them, and try not to be too curious when it comes to that area. All they do is look for an opening and when you give it they take it in! 😉 😐

Hi! I geuss you kind of realize that having a fasination with paranormal activities and being able to see ghost and spirits is not a very good combo. Yes, you are giving them access to you life by being curious. If you are already having such activities don't ever play the ouija board! Even comming in contact with that friend of your after he played that can be dangerous, he may not be open to attacs but you mor likely could be. And yes, they will know, but they can't read minds. They would do anything to gain more access, and being active on the mention of the board, could be a good strategy for the curious kind that wants to see more activity. Not that I'm saing your that kind. If it starts to get aggresive you should seek some help from a priest. If you want to know more about such things I'll gladly tell you. Hope things turn out well

Your fear gives entities strength. Whenever you have feelings of unease or feel as though you are being watched, especially in your own house, stand firm and exclaim in a firm tone of voice "You are unwelcome in my home. Please leave now!" This has always worked for me and other members of my immediate family.