Comments for A Demon, A Poltergeist, Or Plain Nuttinesss?: Page 1

[at] Javelina

I was reading through this and saw your comment in regard to HTML... And no one had explained it. HTML has existed since the internet first started; it's the scripting you see in brackets that forms websites, visual effects such as tables, text boxes like this one, links and most other effects. Right click any page, click View Page Source and you will see the HTML that builds up any website.

Additionally, I'm in a state of confusion here. Weed is not a hallucinogenic; if anything, it's way safer than cigarette smoke, and more effective at calming you down. However, you mentioned she took other drugs as well... Is it possible she was under the influence of a more potent drug during this incident?

If she was reading, I also dispute the fact that she may have been high. Your ability to concentrate on any specific thing, is impaired when you're high. I believe that she heard/saw what she did, but maybe not in the exact way as fear can sometimes take hold before you realize what's happening clearly.

galleygal,
It's sort of difficult to read when your high. She wasn't high, not where I stand anyway.

Jav

GG,
I realize I am only covering the radio being damaged. The tapping on her head is a whole other ball of wax. I do believe she was frightened by something, enough to make her jump from her position on the bed to the center of the room. You don't just do that for no reason. And I don't believe she was high at the time either. She was reading her book.

Jav

You know what? I think you're right, and I just might start doing that.:)

galleygal,
I have gone over the story and comments and I do have a question. When she felt the taps on her head she then leapt to the center of the room.
Now, do you recall if the radio had been plugged in, or did it run on batteries?
I'm sure you see where I'm going with this. The cord, the crates, the damage resulting from such a short distance from the top crate to the floor? If she had accidently tripped on that cord in her panic to get to the center of the room, she may not have even noticed. And depending on where the cord was situated when she made contact, those crates could have been shoved in two separate directions.

I don't know if this will help at all, but it's worth a try.

Jav

[at] Mizmimi - I think as long as someone has something to add, there's no such thing as a dead comment thread. And when someone does comment, it appears in the side column, so others can see it and add even more new life. You ought to add your insight to the old ones!

Jav & GG- I love visiting old stories also. My problem is that I am often leary to comment, for fear that someone might think I am dredging up a long dead comment thread. I often have felt like I had something to contribute, but I usually refrain. I thought about it on a couple of your stories Jav, which by the way are great!.:)

[at] javelina - I like to look up old stories too, and see what happened over time, if something new occurred, etc.

I used to really enjoy a rival ghost story site - great stories, nearly all had the ring of truth to them. There was no comment section, but many posters would include their email address to get advice, or in case a reader wanted to contact them about the story. It was great until the owner died.

Luckily, all the old stories are archived, so I can go back and re-read them.

[at] miracles - I apologize; you had responded so quickly before, it didn't occur to me that you were otherwise occupied.

I can certainly wait until you have time to explain your statement, to wit, that you think I delight in twisting others' words to suit myself.

GG,
(Sorry for the name shortening here, but I am a lousy typist and I've already messed it up twice)
Absolutely! I go back and read an older one here and there sometimes just for the comments. Things evolve quickly and I like to be reminded of what was said and how it was worked through and apply that to what I am puzzling over. It does help.

Jav
HTML? Jeez I'm getting old...

galleygal - I'm sorry, I am at work and just now have the opportunity to respond to your comment. Drama... Now that I find funny. I didn't intend to create drama by not answering your comment in a timely manner and have no intention of being accused of creating more; therefore, if I have "misread" you, I apologize.

[at] javelina - btw, I posted at your latest story. That was awesome.

[at] javelina - I see the kids on here saying "that sounds like something that happened to me..." and I realize these things don't lose relevance over time. Not by a long shot. Your experiences are important to record, so you can gain greater understanding, and so they can.

I wish we could use HTML on here.

galleygal,
Well, now you see why am saying I am the last person who should be saying too much time has passed. However, I have been paying attention as this has been unfolding, And I have to agree with you about all these new avenues opening up. This is sort of how it went with mine as far as asking new questions and getting suggestions that hadn't occurred to me before then. All of a sudden it's showing new life.
So, rather than be a hypocrite, I'll keep watching and toss some ideas in if they come to me.
Jav

[at] miracles - It's been an hour since our last exchange and you still haven't responded to my request. I'm left thinking that you deliberately wanted to instigate some drama, via a passive-aggressive approach.

To what purpose?

If I'm mistaken, please let me know.

[at] javelina - I think people come on here asking for explanations, or help, for past or ongoing occurrances all the time. I came on here posting someone else's story, not seeking help, but to assauge my own curiosity and I think that was apparent in the way I wrote the story.

You and Trix initially decide that it's not worth speculating over - that's your right and I didn't think there was any reason to question that.

But, the more comments I read, the more I realized that discussion could reveal things I hadn't taken into account - the radio playing, or the probability of a puppet-demon. Those things could be relevant to other people, so the story started to have value beyond satisfying my curiosity, hence my comment to rookdygin. So, if anyone's the bad guy here, its me for changing my stance half-way through the discussion😢.

I'm going to go read your story now.

galleygal,
Yes, but I'm the last person that should be saying too much time has passed since then. If you read my last story you would know what I mean. So yeah. I was wrong.
The comment by JS was pretty good though, huh? Sometimes things just have to smack me right in the face for me to see them.

Jav

[at] javelina - sheesh, don't worry about it, you did contribute valuable information.

"Marie" does have on-going things happening, but nothing like this story. Nothing destructive, you know? And she has apparently learned to live with it, so she's not actively seeking help or advice. I'm exploiting her experience out of my own curiosity.

I know that earlier post of mine is gone now, but I want to say again - you and Jesus_soldier really were clever to think it's nuts for a demon to listen to a person and you both are the best!

No really, how so? 😉 😊

Hey galleygal,
So what's up? Sorry if I was back handing your story for the time gone by since it happened. You're right. And it wasn't fair. Would you like me to start over new? I can do that, no problem.

Jav

[at] miracles - If I knew what you were talking about, I wouldn't have asked. Please, explain.

galleygal - Oh, I think you know exactly what I am talking about 😉 😊

[at] miracles - how so?

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galleygal - you do seem to take delight in twisting people's words around to suit you, don't you? 🤔

[at] rookdygin - As far as I know, everyone who lived in the house was home. When it happened, I believe we were all asleep; it was after midnight.

At the time, my parents and I occupied bedrooms along one side of the hall, my sister's room was on the other side, and my brother kept a room on the level above, so I think it wasn't unusual that nobody heard anything.

Of course, others might have heard a disturbance and didn't bother to respond?

No, there were no mutual friends allowed at the house 😊. Allow me to recount some history: "Marie" had contracted mono early her freshman year, when she was 13. She was required to stay out of school for several weeks, although she wasn't physically incapacitated. She took to hanging out with a girl with a "bad reputation" who enjoyed skipping school and messing around. Through this girl, "Marie" met "Tom", who at that time was 18 - way too old for "Marie"!

By the time she was allowed to go back to school, "Marie" was having too much fun hanging out with these bad influences, so she started skipping school, too. My parents proclaimed both "Tom" and the bad rep girl verboten; neither were allowed in the house. "Tom" had his own place, so everyone would hang out there.

End result: that it was highly unlikely that either of them came to the house.

He might have slipped the bible into her purse or pocket, but a few things make me doubt that:

"Tom" liked "Marie" a lot. I don't think he would play that kind of prank, especially once she told him about the demon visitation.

I suppose he could have slipped it in her bag during their break-up? It's a possibility, but "Tom" wasn't that bright. He would have to first think to do this (in the midst of a break-up?) then execute it with "Marie" not noticing.

At the time we were young teenagers with not a whole lot of money. We didn't have unlimited coats, jackets, bags, etc. If the bible were in her coat or purse, I think she would have discovered it fairly soon, and IN her pocket or purse; but "Marie" told me that it was "later" after the breakup that she made the discovery. She said she "found it in my room". I took that to mean she found it in a random location weeks or months, not hours, later.

I can ask her to be more specific about the time frame. Also, I had asked her if she were on anything that night. She was vague, but seemed to think that she was not, just as she seemed to think nothing was on the radio. Twenty years is a long time to remember details like that, I guess.

"Tom" was a wannabe, no doubt about it! He had friends that were into the scene who may possibly have been the real deal, but this guy? Nah! I stayed more or less friendly with him over the years and saw him grow into a reasonably responsible "wife, house, 2.5 kids and a dog" type of guy. I think (and I thought this back then!) he did the "Satanist" thing to get chicks lol.

Ok, I'm going to read your story and post there.

And hey, thanks for taking an interest. To hear Trix and Javelina talk (according to their posts here), it's pointless to post an old occurrance on here; I'll "never know" what happened, yada, yada, yada. I'm glad to see that others are willing to offer alternatives that "Marie" and I haven't considered.

galleygal,

A couple of things... While the tapping may have been a very 'personal' Haunting, sound wise and the tapping of your sisters head I have to ask how no one heard the smashing of the radio/moving of the milk crates? My gut says she may have had a 'fit' (possibly drug related) when no one was around... Broke the radio...didn't remember it happening and then 'found' it after the tapping incident.

You did say everyone was at home during that incident, Yes?

As far as the 'red defaced bible' just 'appearing' in your sisters room... Did she have any mutual friends of hers and 'Toms' that came to visit? If so maybe they dropped it off for 'Tom'. If not then is there a chance Tom slipped one into her stuff and she didn't realize it... Then emptied out her 'purse/bag/backpack... Whatever' he may have placed it in and she found it later... Thus causing her to think it had 'appeared'?

I've had 2, possibly 3 run in's with Satanist's. The first was a group of 'want a be's'. The second, this is the possible run in, is detailed in this experience of mine (please forgive the self promotion).

Http://www.yourghoststories.com/real-ghost-story.php?story=4676

The third was a woman I dated for a short while in Newport RI. At the time I was still a Practicing Witch and she was a 'self-professed' Satanist. She would find ways to manipulate people or situations to her advantage...'twisting words', slipping things into peoples pockets/purses to cause them to think something was wrong and of course she would have the only answers... It was a short relationship when I realized how manipulative she really was... While I can't say for sure all Satanist use these tactics (because non-Satanist do the same things) I have to ask the questions I did because of my experience. Thanks for sharing.

Respectfully,

Rook

[at] zzsgranny - thank you for the explanation, but I didn't require one. I understood that somebody could be potentially offended by my remark, not you specifically, and that as a mod, it is your duty to safeguard the board.

That doesn't mean I can't find it funny, does it?

granny,
My hope is to someday see 'youldster' be put up to describe our age group. It sure has a better ring to it than what I have now,

Jav

galleygal: I wasn't offended, and that's not the point... This site is for the general public, and there are youngsters as well as we youldsters who read these posts... Thank you for understanding... 😊

Ok, I guess. Yes, javelina and jesus_soldier, I agree people could not direct demons, especially not "Tom", who was in many ways something that I cannot describe here for fear of being offensive 😊. You're both very clever to think of that!

galleygal: Sorry, could you rephrase your last comment? 😊...Thanks!

*Flexs right bicep, while swallowing a can of spinach* "Popeye the salior man!" lol I'm just playing. Thank you Jav, I really appreciate it.

JS aka Brandon 😊

Js,
I simply had to bump you up for this last comment.

"Demons don't take orders from humans. They wouldn't take orders from God, so I highly doubt a human can change their mind."

Great point! It should be printed on a banner and posted at the top of each page. Sometimes it's all about the wording, and those you chose were perfect.

Jav

~Now let's see you flex those muscles again! 😁

galleygal: Yeah, I don't believe Tom sent a demon to your sister. Demons don't take orders from humans. They wouldn't take orders from God, so I highly doubt a human can change their mind. A different demon could have smashed the radio. I'm going to stick with my original thought though.

I see you love to read, same here. I haven't read a book in a couple months. I've been a little busy. I love 'A Tree Grows In Brooklyn' by 'Betty Smith', 'Native Son' by 'Richard Wright', and 'Go Ask Alice Diary'. I used to think movies were better than books, Haha, what a joke.

I'm going to add this story to my favorites. It really gets people thinking.

JS aka Brandon 😊

[at] Jesus_soldier - I'm glad you enjoyed the account. And this is exactly why I put this story up, to hear others' opinions of what this might have been.

You think a spirit is involved - I guess as opposed to a demon? That's where my thinking tends, as well.

"Tom" was something else all right. But I liked him because he turned me on to Jack Kerouac and good dope 😊.

Before I forget again, I also wanted to post that my sister didn't remember what, if anything, was playing on the radio. She's confident that there was no tape or CD in the player at the time.

galleygal: Thank you for the quick update. I like how you didn't waste no time. I still believe something happen to your sister that day. She stole the rosary just to feel safe.

Tom seems like quite a character. I'm glad she didn't marry the guy. I wonder how the bible got into her room. Tom could have came in the house when it was empty.

Your sister says paranormal activity still occurs, so that really makes me believe a spirit smashed that radio, by the way, that is cruel. The spirit could have threw a hair brush at the radio, or something. I look forward to hearing other accounts, thanks again.

JS aka Brandon 😊

galleygal - thank you for clearing that up, and for the additional information.

[at] miracles - another thing that I didn't bother to include before: as a baby, "Marie" had viral meningitis. Again, this was something I found out later and in retrospect I believe this may have been a factor, not just in this event, but in "Marie"'s entire history.

[at] miracles - my apologies for being unclear. Nobody knew she was bulimic until several years post-onset. I included that information in the account because I know, in retrospect, that it may have been a factor.

As you know, bulimia stems from psychological issues and results in inadequate nutrition which itself can result in impaired cognitive functioning, so I thought it was very important to include that in "Marie"'s profile.

galleygal - I'm a little confused. In your story, and first comment, I took it to mean you knew your sister was bulimic during this time period, but your latest comment says no one knew she was bulimic then. I'm just trying to get everything straight in my head. Although I'll admit, sometimes it's difficult😆

Thank you.

I just talked with my sister about this incident. Her recall matches my own with the exception that her relationship with "Tom" did not last 3 additional years; rather, she broke off with him a year later, so their entire relationship lasted 2 years total.

She still believes a demon was responsible.

She remembers being very frightened, so much so that she stole my father's rosary to sleep with. When my father discovered the theft, she admitted she took it and told him her story. My father is a skeptic and didn't believe her, but to soothe her he told her that he believed that she believed something happened and he permitted her to keep the rosary, which she still has to this day.

"Marie" broke up with "Tom" after she found him defacing bibles in his apartment one day. She says that people used to hand out these tiny, red, paper bibles on the streets; "Tom" would accept them then scribble obscenities in them, or replace references to God or Jesus with "Satan". She told me that she found that to be "too freaky" and stopped seeing him that very day.

At some point after this, she found one of these little, defaced bibles in her room. "Tom" was never permitted in our house; he was roundly hated by my parents. He was older and my parents felt that "Marie's" truancy and general troubles were his fault (my parents didn't know about her drug use and none of us knew she was bulimic).

He had his own apartment so it's doubtful "Marie" would bother sneaking "Tom" in for a visit, and she says she never did.

She believes the demon left the bible on "Tom"'s behalf.

I told her about this site and she started telling me all these stories that she thought I should relay, because all sorts of things continue to occur to her!

galleygal: This is a really cool story. I can't wait to hear what your sister will say. Thank you for sharing.

JS aka Brandon 😊

[at] Jesus_soldier - you crack me up! Anyway, I didn't think she was passed out, or dreaming or anything. She said she'd been reading and I believed her, as I saw her cheesy Sidney Sheldon novel on the floor when I entered the room 😊

It's crazy - I neither believed nor disbelieved her, the circumstances for either stance were and still are pretty compelling in my mind.

I saw weed in the discussion, and thought, "I know this topic pretty good". I used to smoke A LOT, and every pothead I saw, were extremely aware of their actions. I think you may be confusing marijuana with liqour, because you can drink and blackout. That would make that person not aware of their actions (Trust me, I have experience with that too). Now as far as blackouts with weed, I don't think it's possible. You will more than likely pass out with a lit cigarette or cheeseburger in your hand. You should believe your sister, I do (Not that I matter, just saying haha).

JS aka Brandon

Hi, all. Sorry to respond so late, I didn't realize the story had posted until just now. I'm just going to reply in order:

[at] Linda - My sister was definitely open to that type of energy. These days her complaints are more mundane - a ghost that steals mushrooms from her fridge. Odd, huh? But she swears this occurs regularly.

[at] bludhunger - I, too, am glad she was never physically harmed. The taps on the head scared her plenty, though.

[at] kasturi - are you one of "Marie"'s kids? That would be so random! Seriously, though, I didn't know what to think when this went down, but I definitely didn't think she was lying outright - she was very sincere in her fear and upset.

[at] miracles - right on! It was Fall '93. "Tom" supplied her and I'm pretty sure that he wouldn't knowingly give her anything that wasn't kosher. Also, I don't know for a fact that she was high, but she might have been, as she usually was in those days.

But even if she had something more narcotic in her system, I'm not sure how that would alter events... She did coke, but that made her happy. She used to snort a little heroin too, but if she'd done that I would have noticed - she always seemed drunk when she did that.

[at] Kiittiie - "Marie" had a temper, but when she was high she was mellow. And as I stated above, she may or may not have indulged that night. Personally, I think it's a distinct possibility, but maybe by the time she got me, the fright had harshed her buzz?

My mom and dad, my brother, and myself were all home in our respective bedrooms. As far as I know, none of them heard anything, and I didn't either.

[at] Cerberus7 - I look forward to hearing your account. And I want to thank you for bringing up a question that never occurred to me: was the radio actually on when it got smashed? I always assumed it was off. I'm going to ask if she remembers about that next time we speak. Maybe there is more going on and it relates to you and kastui's mom's experiences.

[at] Javelina - you're exactly right, I had gone over the events many times and am undecided as to what happened.

As to why I still question her reliability: because of all the details from my account - "Marie" was a troubled, unstable teenage girl who was physically and mentally compromised by her bulimia and drug use.

And yet, the physical evidence is compelling. The radio was totalled, I mean, it was gone. Her fear was sincere; I still recall her nervous giggling as she recounted the event - way unlike her.

[at] trix - sure past is past, but I love to savor the mystery.

More posts!

[at] zzsgranny - no, I haven't, but I plan on asking her about it when we next talk. Reading some other stories on here is what put it back in my mind; she probably hasn't thought about it in years.

When I ask her about it, I'll post what she has to say in this thread.

[at] Javelina - yes, I'd say she was sincerely frightened, also perversely excited (?) I believe she really believed that her boyfriend sicced a demon on her and was weirdly impressed by that. With that in mind, no, she was not looking for an excuse to break up with "Tom" - in fact, they dated for about 3 years after this.

I believe she brought me in to witness the smashed radio mostly because she was scared and because we were friends. It was only natural she'd come to me. But I'm also sure she would have wanted me to back her play should her friend ask me about what happened. "Marie" wasn't afraid of "Judy"; they were friends. "Judy" never asked me what happened, and "Marie" replaced the radio with no trouble.

galleygal,
You were the one she came too. What was her body language as she related these things to you? Did she seem completely sincere? That she wanted you to stand as her witness to an event you were not present for is why I am wondering. Was she simply afraid of her friend? Was she looking for validation from you that she should break up with her Satanist boyfriend, thereby creating an event that involved enough parties getting pissed that he couldn't argue the point? Or was she an habitual liar?
These are just a few of the odds and ends that could stretch this game out forever. When it comes down to it, only you and she can work this out to a satisfactory conclusion. It seems to me that after all these years and no answers, it's beyond even being a moot point.
Good point granny, and I agree completely. I don't know where people get that idea about people that smoke weed, but it simply does not fit the reality we know. 😆

Jav

galleygal: Contrary to Kiittiie's belief, I've never witnessed anyone (myself included) getting psychotic while smoked up... You get happy, then hungry, then you crash 😆; end of story... Unless it had been "laced" with another type of drug...

For me, having not been there to witness the event or the sincerity of your sister, it's hard to say exactly what, if anything, else could have caused it...

Have you asked your sister lately to come clean about this, or if she recalls the incident?

Hi galleygal, I also have sisters and believe me when I say, I can't believe anything they say unless I see it with my own eyes. My point is that you will never know what exactly happened way back then. Your sister had very bad habits on such a young age. You will never know if it was the stuff she smoked or the dark side she shared in that broke that radio. What is in the past can never be changed. What matter now are the present and the future. Take care. Trix. ❤

galleygal,
What is it about this event that makes you believe it didn't happen just as your sister reported it had? I am the last person here that would jump on the "it's a demon" bandwagon. In fact, I can't recall any time before this that I have ever agreed with that assessment in any case I have read about here. However, since you are the one relating the incident, I have to think you have gone over all the particulars many times and from many different angles without coming to any satisfactory conclusions, correct? With that in mind, my question to you is just that. Why would her explanation of these events not be a suitable answer for you?

Jav

Wow... This is so similar to something I was experiencing in my own life around 15-16 years old... It might be more then just coincidental that there was a radio involved in my own experience... I don't think that the spirit or whatever it is likes the radio. Around that time in my life a tapping on my wall started happening... Off and on over those couple of years it would come and go and it was really unnerving. I think this wasn't a demon... But whatever it is probably likes to feed off of emotions like fear... Because that's what mine seemed to be after... That's my best guess anyways. I still need to write my story about my experiences with the tapping ghost. Not trying to get too into it here It's just weird that I went through something a lot like that too. Thank you for sharing the story. I like how you shared what it might have been caused by other than paranormal activity... It's good to try and make sense of something like this. Seeing how we both had a tapping ghost it might be a more common phenomenon than I was thinking.

Smoking weed can cause some pretty severe states of psychosis where the person may not even be aware of their actions (including rages).

At the end of the day, i'd be more inclined to say that it was a form of psychosis.

You mention being in the house at the time. Did you hear any of this going on?

gallegal - you said your sister was a habitual marijuana smoker at that time. I was trying to figure the time-frame out, and I might be off so forgive me if I am, but that would be around 19-20 years or so ago maybe?

I remember my daughter's dad (who was also a habitual marijuana smoker) telling me of people "lacing" weed with other things. I'm reaching here, because I don't know what reactions would occur if that were the case.

It's just the only thing, other than your sister doing it herself and inventing a "demon" to take the blame, that made sense to me.

i don't know why... But I totally believe your sister... This incident had happened to my mother when she was very young... 😕

its stories like these that get me scared of satanists and I am happy that your sister was not hurt

Maybe it was the boyfriend's little 'babysitter', or she's open to that type of energy. You are a good and loyal sister. Let us know if anything else happens in the future.