Comments for Trickster In The Cemetery: Page 1

This isn't Animal Planet. But we do know bait when we smell it.
Try again next week, you may get lucky, who knows?

Jav

Exorcistfan79.

Dimmy...why you no love me no more, Dimmy?

No mocking involved, just having fun at your expense...wait, let me get my dictionary...whoops, retraction engaged.

And yes, I do take pride in my work as well. I sell door handles... What guy would be happy to leave the house every morning for a kn-b j-b.

Lou

" My new book is based on the paranormal and I am always open to 'true' experiences shared or even, heard from by a reliable third party."

Okay?

Splain...

Jav

Where's the humor?
Are you kidding me?
Shall we put that question up as a challenge to all the readers here?
Maybe see how much humor we can squeeze out of a two word title?

It's up to you, it's your book.
We can move this over to one of my Capt.'s Anchorage stories for the duration if you'd like. Don't want to put the O/P of his story out any longer anyway.
If you really do want to know where the humor is in that title, we can make it so.

Jav

Here is the link...
Http://www.yourghoststories.com/real-ghost-story.php?story=10958

~PS~ The ball's in your court now... 😆

Jav - Nooooo

Not about paranormal... Personal experience, why to comment would be telling LMAO

Lou - good idea... I actually spoke to the publisher about having the cover be a hole and do a limited 'pop-up version hahahahahaaha'

Lou, I am not sure if you are continuing to attempt to mock but, let it go... I am not particularly a deep thinker but I am fascinated by anything remotely dark, supernatural, horror orientated... Like many people on here.

Exorcistfan79,

Well, we are a deep thinker aren't we? Does the book come with a sock puppet, too?

Lou

And this is a book on the paranormal? Is that so?
Are you writing from experience?

Jav

Lou...

Did you ever have credibility? I din't know know a thing about you so, cannot say you do or don't have credibility. Anyway... You seem to think I am unaware of what A GH is... Well as I am the author, I miss the joke. Of course I know what it is, hence where is the humour?

Jav

It means exactly that... A hole which manhood peeps through yeah? 😁

Exorcistfan79,
Wait, wait, wait just a minute there cowboy...

You titled your novel "Glory Hole'"?

You aren't from around here, are you son?

That term/title has a meaning over here that may not be what you want your book associated with. Seriously.

But damn! It is funny! 😆

Jav

Exorcistfan79,

Well, you got me...we're all just one typo away from losing credibility, eh?...some even closer. I would not expect you to find humor or wit in my post, that has been reserved for everyone else who reads it.

Lou

Jav, I doff my cap. I always find your posts intriguing and was merely joking with you, as I am sure you already know 😁

Hi Lou...

I take it you mean 'your' novel as opposed to 'you' novel. Thank you for visiting my website. If you are meaning to offend or criticise me so be it, my dream was to be a horror writer and I am slowly establishing that. You find that funny, I find it exciting. As for going to pub after football games...Nope, I drive to the games and drinking is illegal where I am from, when driving. If you are attempting to be witty you have failed. I have not lowered myself to personal insults and would appreciate it, if you would do the same. I dare say your occupation is something you are extremely proud of and I would not dream of mocking your work, it is a pity you cannot do the same.

Exorcistfan79,

For one who advocates for and is a proponent for research, did you not think it would be wise to research any particular street language/slang terminology before naming you novel "Glory Hole"...holy crap, my sides hurt!

Either you and your mates go to some interesting pubs after your football games, or you were hoping the shock value would pull a few more copies off the shelf.

Lou

Oh how I love righteous indignation! It just gives you that boost you need to get out and meet the day. Happy to oblige, I guess...

You may walk away mad if you like, I won't. This whole thing gave me the giggles, to tell you the truth.

Bye now,
Jav
😁

Jav, not really sure what you are getting at. I am a busy man, so have little time to post on these debates. I am only commenting due to the pompous nature and elements of 'know it all' we seem to get regularly these days when the truth is nobody really knows... Really - no matter how well educated, read or seemingly experienced. Please note this is not directed at anyone specific before you begin to jump down my throat.

As for my post not relating, I am inclined to disagree. I am referring to the 3am time in support of Jerry which lit the fuse of this debate.

I give you too much credit? Well, you said it. I'll take it back then. 😲

Exorcistfan79,
Thanks for the words of wisdom. However, I believe you may have given me too much credit. Most of what I say comes from my gut and my heart, after that is when I give it some thought. That may seem callous of me, but I am honest about it because I know of no other way. We're human, we screw up. Hopefully we learn something in the process.
What I noticed about your last post is that it could have been written any time, posted any time, and you could have walked away satisfied. This debate has gone on for days. So why wait until now?
You do see what did not happen here before this morning, don't you? At least you had the patience to wait, right?

Jav

Sorry if this sounds confusing to anyone else, I am certain Exorcistfan79 knows exactly what I am talking about though. Good day. 😊

It has been nice liaising with you all. I have spent months reading through plenty of fictional accounts in these pages, to which most teenagers give their 'knowledgeable' insights. I see them waiting with baited breath for Rook or Jav to respond (just for the sake of argument, as you guys are always around, please confirm that your not similar at least in stature, to that small lady from Poltergeist, because you guys are always haunting these pages and are seemingly the fonts of knowledge for anyone encountering trouble) I say fair play to you and I am sure you have helped many. However, as Rook correctly states, she or he, has read many books and has the paranormal / occult expertise / beliefs that loyd Auerbach, William Roll, Christopher Chacon, Alistair Crowley, David Wells, la Vey or even Elizabeth Demdyke! Could only wish to have. I am just a published author who spends his time scouring similar works and internet sights, in good humour, may I add, at what is blatant tripe much (not all) of the time. I attach a link to a book regarding the 3am debacle that offends so many. It is not hard to find and as I expressed to Rook, (for one who claims to have read so much, I am indeed surprised nay shocked at the fact you had not previously heard of it). It was not meant in offence, just shocked as so many seemingly look to both you and Jav on this site for inspirational words or antidotes to their 'issues'. I used to think this was a superb site, unfortunately, due to so many active imaginations and the bastardisation of the English language it is quickly becoming intolerable. I would think that this surely would be more worthwhile having a debate about; again, not a source to mock or deliver scorn, merely a comment which we are all entitled to. Additionally, as Jerry appears to be getting somewhat 'ganged' up on, for what he correctly states is a widespread belief (true or not) surely he should not be castigated for this? You ask him to provide evidence of a book well, I attach a link below which is one of the few I have read. Not particularly good I might add, but just evidence that you all seem to require to believe that these books exist. Maybe in future you could use some more of this doubt to deliver the same potent deliberations over the infantile stories that are becoming far more prevalent than one could deem palatable. Again, because everyone appears to enjoy jumping on any individual who expresses a difference in opinion (possibly because they have researched area that others have not, or maybe just simply have different beliefs) I state, I am merely expressing an opinion and backing up Jerry - not that he probably needs me to. Anyway, genuinely, it has been interesting. Rook, Jav, I would love to engage and discuss some of your personal experiences even if it was to share and help accommadate even further information in my vast expanding study. My new book is based on the paranormal and I am always open to 'true' experiences shared or even, heard from by a reliable third party. Best wishes from Rainy Manchester, Ex79 😨

Http://www.amazon.com/AM-Why-Am-Up-ebook/dp/B005LHO8W8/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1322080120&sr=8-11

Lou,

Thank you... I should have caught that... I got caught up with the whole 3am thing and couldn't see the obvious right in front of my face. Thanks for keeping it real.

Respectfully,

Rook

Billy,

I can wade through your story easy enough and accept a good portion of it, but human nature is human nature, and you and your friends are not void of it. The path of least resistance in our lifestyle is now defined by modern convenience. You are a young adult, your friends are young adults... I have three of your kind in my household right now. You wandered into a dark cemetery looking for your friends and never used your cell phone to text or call to find out where they were? You know you don't spend a waking minute without sending a text... But when you are wandering in the dark in the scariest cemetery you have ever seen, looking for your friends who have cell phones...uh, yeah? Your story, for that reason alone, is bulls--t...nice curve with the 3AM thing, that was the true "veil" of this story...

Lou

jerryhend1,

So this has been reduced to this 'point' from you?

"I am not concerned that every people or every religion understands this or recognize it. Or sees it for what it is. What I am concerned is that it hates us, very much so... On every continent there are a people that see it for what it is. But it is still the same thing."

This started as a debate about the time 3am and any significance it may have and you have reduced it to an attempt to demonstrate that there is a 'force or being (s) ' that 'hate' us. I never questioned that...

I do not mean to come off as 'heavy handed' but if any progress is to be made in understanding the paranormal and promote scientific research into the spirit world we must put the superstitions and 'Hollywood' fictions behind us. I do not think anyone who has had an experience, and believes in the spirit world, needs any convincing that there are 'good and evil' spirits. So any further pursuit of this conversation is moot.

Respectfully,

Rook

Jerryhend1,
You have been watching too much FICTION.
Here at YGS we are not as compromising as other places on the web might be about this issue.
After all, if it's the "Witching Hour", then you tell me where?
WHERE is it the "witching hour"?
This planet rotates on an axis. It's always going to be 3:00 somewhere, right?
So by your reasoning, it is ALWAYS the "Witching Hour"!
Give it a rest would you?
It's almost 3:00am here in Arizona, and I want to enjoy it.

Jav

Weeeeeell...
I went around the corner,
Then I went around the block.
Looking all over to buy a new clock.
You see, the one I had was stuck on three
And someone said it was bad for me.

Bad to be three? Oh mercy me!
I'll have to get a clock that doesn't have a three!

I had gone through every store
I had searched each row.
Each clock that I found
Had that evil three in tow!

Then I stopped and looked around
Up and down each block
I had been through every store
Trying to find that damn clock

It was noon when I left
And it was getting close to three
Then the panic set in
Nearly blinding me

Then a bell started ringing
Not too far away
I reached my arm upward
And over to one side...

Then I brought it back down
Quick as a flash
I hit that snooze button
And went back to sleep.

What?

I couldn't think of any other way to end this stupid rhyme...
So I cheated, so what?

Jav

Rook:
I am not concerned that every people or every religion understands this or recognize it. Or sees it for what it is. What I am concerned is that it hates us, very much so... On every continent there are a people that see it for what it is. But it is still the same thing. Why does it hate us, I cannot say, I think it is because "We as humans have free will or choice" and it cannot tolerate this. It's like ones older brother, you will do as I do or else. If you would like to continue the "debate" or talk I am at jerryclft [at] copper.net please not religion ref's thank you.

jerryhend1,

Your right, you never called it by either of those terms, what you stated was this... (quoted in an attempt to avoid any misunderstanding)

"no one can put a finger on it, is it a mockery of the trinity? Or if you believe in Christ that he was killed at 3pm? Now the last two are from Europe and reflect on more western times, that does not explain the rest of the world that dreads this time, it seems to be a time when the veil between good and evil is lifted and they are at their most strongest. So as you can see, no one can put a finger on it - it just seems to be ingrained in we humans."

You now say this...

"Now the 3 am time line, does this have to do with the dream state the person is in or mind frame both are good possibilities, but in most cases the individuals were awake and of sound mind. Now for the books that I have read, mind this is over a thirty year time line and I am sure this will be the dismissing factor in my case, titles have come and gone. Sorry can't give or remember the titles or authors - but they are out there, some of the best is what they call the lost books of the bible..."

I understand that you cannot remember every title and author, I can't either so no worries there. The Lost Books of the Bible... I am familiar with these, heck I've even read some of these (I found the Apocrypha books more interesting than the Pseudepigrapha, how about you?) and in those I read I do not remember any of them mentioning a particular 'time' of day/night that 'evil/the spirits' are more active.

You now ask this...

"So why this 3 am getting so much play time? Is because you don't understand it or agree with it?"

Why so much 'play time'? Because people need to understand what they have been experiencing, they need facts so that their fears are calmed and they are no longer scared.

Your right, I DO NOT AGREE that there is any special significance to the time 3am (except that it's really 'late' at night OR very (very) early in the morning). I feel it's wrong to perpetuate that 3am is the time... Here let me quote you...

"every religion that I have read about on this matter of the early morning dreads the 3 am time. While I used to think this was just a hand - me -down form the Romans, this is not so, because it spans the world over from China to the Americas to Africa, when evil is most potent."

I question that statement... With all of my experience, all my research and the fact that I have 'watched' this Phenomenon grow over the years propelled by Literature (Fiction) and Movies (Gotta Love Hollywood). You have replied to me, but you did not address the fact that another member of this site, who lives in India had this to say (quoted again to avoid any misunderstanding)... You stated...

"While I used to think this was just a hand - me -down form the Romans, this is not so, because it spans the world over from China to the Americas to Africa..."

Sds had this to say in one of her comments... (sorry for 'dragging' you into this sds)

"Hello Billy, in our custom and religion, I don't think 3 a.m. Is having any significance or attachment towards paranormal. So we don't call it as witch-hour and only I have seen in Western movies that way."

While she was addressing the O/P I feel the mention of 3am has to do with your comments... Keep in mind sds is from India... So much for this Phenomenon 'spanning the world' as you put it.

You've mentioned some good reasons why some spirits may find it easier to manifest while 'half the world' sleeps, but have not addressed that 'ALL the worlds religions' seem to agree that 3am is... How did YOU put it? Oh Yes..."from China to the Americas to Africa, when evil is most potent..." and "that does not explain the rest of the world that dreads this time, it seems to be a time when the veil between good and evil is lifted and they are at their most strongest."

So this conversation continues... Misinformation does more damage and spreads fear while healthy debate can lead to answers and understanding.

I would also like to invite the International Members of YGS to 'chime' in here... What do you think? Is 3am " a time when the veil between good and evil is lifted and they are at their most strongest." Or is this something that 19th and early 20th century Literature (Fiction) and Movies have 'created'?

Respectfully,

Rook

To Rook, Pjod and anyone else:
I never called it the witching hour or the devils playtime. Witching hour what is that? When they all go down to the Pub? Now evil can manifest any time it wants or can, it can take decades to do this, meaning is they seem that they too must play by rules. Now the 3 am time line, does this have to do with the dream state the person is in or mind frame both are good possibilities, but in most cases the individuals were awake and of sound mind. Now for the books that I have read, mind this is over a thirty year time line and I am sure this will be the dismissing factor in my case, titles have come and gone. Sorry can't give or remember the titles or authors - but they are out there, some of the best is what they call the lost books of the bible, very good reading. Now I never attack anyone's personnel beliefs and what not... So why this 3 am getting so much play time? Is because you don't understand it or agree with it?

jerryhend1,

Your right there is REAL EVIL in the world. Never denied that... What I disagree with... What I strongly disagree with is that 3am is the WITCHING HOUR or the DEVILS PLAYTIME... What ever you want to call it. I asked for book titles... I asked for web site links and all you have provided is rhetoric. I love to read, study and LEARN so here's a chance to change someones mind... Give me research material that could help that cause.

Until you do I'll have to base my opinion on what I've learned over the years and what members of this site, like sds (who's from INDIA), have to say..."in our custom and religion, I don't think 3 a.m. Is having any significance or attachment towards paranormal. So we don't call it as witch-hour and only I have seen in Western movies that way."

I think that sums it up nicely.

Exorcistfan,

I may have misunderstood and overreacted to your comment. I just have a problem with misinformation being put out as 'fact'. I'm no expert, not by any means, but saying things like 'in my research' or 'it's common knowledge around the world' and not providing any means to research the claims just bothers the 'HECK' out of me.

Is there a reason the 'dark of night' scares us? Sure...it's easy to be afraid of what you can't see or what my be hidden in the shadows. But the truth is... Things can be hidden in plain sight and the shadows cast by the sun seem darker than those cast by moon light. Evil doesn't need 'darkness' to sneak in and grab you.

Respectfully,

Rook

Hello, i'd like to first inform you that I am not an expert and I do not consider myself to be one. I have simply lived with what we know of as the "paranormal" all my life. Please believe what I am about to tell you because although I am young, only 15 years old really, I have seen and learned many things about the paranormal. Now first what I would like to tell you is that under no circumstances is going into a graveyard at night, alone a good idea. The graveyard is filled with many spirits both good and bad. Next I would like to stress to you how completely idiotic  it is to play with a ouji board because not only is it stupid it can also be dangerous. When using a ouji board you basically invite not just spirits but other creatures to come and join you, once again you could be inviting good or bad things to come. Trust me when I say to never EVER play with ouji boards, trust me. As for what you seen that night, I am almost certain what you saw was a witch. No, the time has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that you seen a witch. Witches can come out at any time, night or day, light or dark, it doesn't matter. The balls of light are known as "witch lights" and are commonly seen and spoken of among my family, the voices are another sign of witches who imitate voices to draw you farther away and to try to get you lost and confused, and witches have been known to make themselves disappear. If you want to know if a witch is following you keep an eye out for any animals (dogs, owls, cats, wolves, bears, and deers are common animals for a witch) that may have been around your house because a witch is able to shape shift. That is all I can really help you with.
Best of luck, and be careful.

Hi Billy, I also never put much stock in the whole 3:00am thing. If something paranormal is going to happen it will happen no matter what time of the day or night it is. I have had experiences in broad daylight. Your experience in the cemetery is pretty frightening. I would have ran out of there too. I know that Ouija Boards are very intriquing especially if one suggests using it in a cemetery, but the things that can be brought in may not be very nice. I think that the spirits were aware of what you and your friends were doing and decided to mess with you. I don't believe you intended any disrespect, but perhaps changing the house tradition might be a good idea. Thank you for sharing your experience with us. 😊

From what I could find out online, the term "witching hour" has only been used since sometime in the 1800's, though the phrase "the witching time of night" was used by William Shakespeare in Hamlet. So maybe it actually originated with Shakespeare? If anyone is interested, here's what Hamlet said:

"Tis now the very witching time of night,
When churchyards yawn and hell itself breathes out
Contagion to this world: now could I drink hot blood,
And do such bitter business as the day
Would quake to look on. Soft! Now to my mother.
O heart, lose not thy nature; let not ever
The soul of Nero enter this firm bosom:
Let me be cruel, not unnatural:
I will speak daggers to her, but use none;
My tongue and soul in this be hypocrites;
How in my words soever she be shent,
To give them seals never, my soul, consent!

Interesting conversation going on here. I don't have any knowledge about the 3am hour but I would like to comment to the poster of the story. Are you very sure it wasn't your friends playing a "trick" on you? Humans are capable of tricking also. Seems a bit suspicious that they told you to meet them there and then you get home and they're all in their rooms like nothing happened. Probably ran back before you got there. Just saying we need to look at all aspects. Another thing... I have my parents buried together at a beautiful cemetery by a wonderful oak tree overlooking their grave site. If I knew that a bunch of college student's were "traditionally once a week" going to sit by their grave sites with a ouija board, I'd be the one out there scaring the living shiat out of you all! I would be quite upset about it. So regardless if you really saw something or it was your college buddies, not sure. Just wanted to voice that.

Thanks, zeta.

Jerryhend1,
Looking over this thread, I noticed you posted far below in response to Rook's first post. Your 3rd post is a response to me, advising me to "crack open a book and learn for myself" -yet, you failed to respond to Rook's request to post any titles to books or sources of information. Did I miss a post of yours somewhere between?

exorcistfan,
Not to answer for Rook- I'm sure he'll respond himself- but I have to say, looking at Rook's post below- he never said that he wasn't aware of the popular idea of the 3am hour- he only asked for the believers to post some documented proof- or what research validates this belief of 3am as some sort of witching hour. No one has yet to do so, as I am also curious to see any data that indicates this to be anything but "urban legend"

To get back to the writer who stated he wants help with this experience, I believe the advice to go back with a somber and sincere out loud apology would go a long way toward making this right and will also help you to let go of any fear that spirits are keeping watch on you. Also, the only vocal thing you heard was a laugh. You were expecting your friend to be there so I think any laugh could be mistaken for his laugh and it is not a case of spirits mimicking you. So if you pick apart everything that actually happened, you were led to a specific area by lights and the sound of a laugh and as you approached the area they left. This was perfect to scare you and give you a healthy dose of respect but it didn't hurt you or get you lost or do anything bad. I think they accomplished exactly what they wanted - "Let's get rid of these disrespectful kids for once and for all". Spread the word to your friends and, aside from going back to apologize, don't enter the cemetery unless you're attending a funeral.

Hehehehe - so everyone bites...

Rook, all I said was it 'even appeared on wikipedia'I am happy for you and all of your background but my point still is, I am surprised you had not heard of this before as you stated previously you had not. Thank you for explaining your background, it was interesting; as for Granny, yes, tongue in cheek completely.

Best wishes all. 😆

I'd also like to mention a website called the Shadowlands, that has been collecting "true experiences" since the late 90's, I believe. The whole 3am "withching hour" is rarely even mentioned in the first few years of collecting- and slowly becomes more popular in later years.
To me, the proof of "legend" speaks for itself- being absent in the first wave of experiences posted there.

Jerry,
I never said evil didn't exist. I did say the thinning of the veil was first recognized as an annual event- a split between this world and the spirit... Not necessarily a split between this world and "evil" -I think the ancients understood that spirit can be either good or evil, like any living being. I also didn't say the internet created the 3am idea (as a matter of fact, I read many books on this subject) Only that the 3am "evil witching hour" has become something of an "urban legend" these 15 years.
Even the most ludicrous story being posted as a "true experience" often has the 3am theame included, which raises an immediate flag for me.
Is there something to 3am being the choice time of haunting? I can't say for sure... But kids love using it when describing their adventures with the paranormal.

Ok, let's step back a minute, really. This thing 3am has nothing to do with modern paganism really. I feel I am being brought to task by every modern Wicca, witch, pagan, druid or what have you, There is such a thing as real evil, if you wish to believe it or not. And it is cunning and intelligent and it knows it has all the time in the world; it just needs to find or wait for the right person to come along. You do not have copy wright over it. To say it does not exist, well that's what it likes - it's playing you for a fool. I am very moderate in what I believe in and I don't buy into "western" as the buzz word now is so common. I get my information from real books, not from the internet. This thing about the 3 AM hour is worldwide, it can't be hidden and it is old as humans are. My last thing is - for all you out here that have ever been in the (god I hate to say the word - military) what's the best time to attack or engage your adversary, that's right BMNT = before morning nautical twilight, that's right get 'em when they really don't expect it. And that's how they like to play...
To PJOD: think before you speak, look before you leap, there was life before the internet. Crack open a book and find out for yourself.

If anyone is interested and not to really detract from the subject at hand, I found an interesting video concerning a ouija board.
Http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r185/catchmyghost/VIDEO/

This information came from a Missouri paranormal group investigating the Union Screaming House. Should be enough to scare anyone away from those boards.

Oh, boy, Chatham. You have opened a hornets' nest as you can see from the comments your story has generated. The whole witching hour business has been a topic of discussion on this site before and all I can tell you is it has a strong tradition in western literature and is clearly an idea that captures the imagination. It has, however, been overdone by Hollywood (and don't they just overdo everything). As for the crossroads thing, it seems to have a strong folklore tradition and is thought to be a location from which one can summon a demon or the devil himself. This idea has been used in the TV show Supernatural but they didn't make it up, just borrowed and adapted a particular legend based, I would guess, on a much older folklore tradition. As for your experience, it certainly does sound like you were dealing with a trickster who had some knowledge of you and your friends as a result of your previous exploits in the cemetery that it used to its advantage. Let that be a lesson to you that using a Ouija board is serious business not to be trifled with and running around cemeteries at night is indeed dangerous (for practical reasons, as Moravian points out). You should be more careful in future.

i myself am I believer in the paranormal and spirits and magic. Voodoo or voodum could explain the talking in your friends voice. Some dark magic may be at work but if its simply just the disturbens of a spirit or ghost next time you go to the graveyard I would not recommend contacting it

Running scared in a cemetery at night is damn dangerous: trip ovee a stone and fall into another head first.

BTW, Most of my experiences have happened in broad daylight. So either they are just burning daylight, have insomnia, love my cooking or are really confused and don't know they are haunting the wrong hemisphere. 🤔

Oh boy, Wikipedia in the house, woot! In case you didn't notice ^^^^ Was extreme sarcasm. I loathe Wikipedia, and it's "Hey you moron, come edit me" design. Blech In any event, I have never seen anything concrete that refers to "witching, evil, devil, horror, get you butt in bed before mom and dad tan it" hour. We have Wikipedia and the badly made horror movies to thank for this.

Ugh, but this whole 3am thing didn't really take off until the internet came along and decided this to be the time of day for the thinning of the veil between the living and spirit world. To my knowledge, it was the Druids who first believed there was a time of YEAR when this "veil" was at it's weakest- we still celebrate this event every Halloween. Keep in mind, it was between the world of the living and the spirit world- not "evil"...Never was there any mention of a time of day, every day, that this phenom would occur.

(Time to feed the Troll)

Exorcistfan,

If your top research site is Wikipedia then I can understand how you've been mislead.

I enjoy horror stories, games and movies... But they are not 'sources' for true information.

Once again I ask for links, book titles or, if your 'source' will allow it an e-mail address so I can do my own research and be proven wrong.

I was 12/13 years old when I began to practice witchcraft. I Was a Solo Practitioner until I turned 24, but I would research, study and even visit my local metaphysical store and ask questions of the Coven Mistress and the only time I heard references to 'late night rituals' were ones calling upon LUNA for a Blessing/Energy which had NOTHING to do with 'Demons, Satan or anything Evil' or in Movies or Books... And it was in the movies or books (works of fiction) that I ever heard of a 'witching/devils hour'.

In fact here's a question for all of you who insist that 3am is a mockery of when Christ died on the Cross (3pm)...

Did he Die on 'Hebrew (Jewish) ' time or on Roman time?

The Hebrews (Jews) kept time from dawn to dusk... So the '9th' hour to them would be 9 hours from 'Dawn' on the day He died. The Romans kept time using a '12 hour clock' beginning at midnight (am) and running 12 hours until 'high noon'. This was the Romans 'morning'. Then from 12 noon until midnight being 'evening/night'.

With either of those you can not tell me the '9th hour' mentioned in scripture was '3pm'. Dawn in the Holy Land, at the time of year Christ was Crucified is early... The scholars seem to agree Christ was Crucified on 03 Apr 33-36AD (Scholars do not agree on a year). So what does that leave us with... A three year time period

According to the Roman time table the 9th hour would be 9AM... Counting the hours from midnight forward brings you to 9AM NOT 3PM... If we use the Hebrew (Jewish) time table... Which begins at dawn (exact time unknown) Christ was Crucified (placed on the cross) during the third (3rd) hour and died 6 hours later at the ninth (9th) hour. However Hebrew (Jewish) time was often approximated to the closest three hour period becasue there were no precision time pieces.

So if someone can provide the exact time of sunrise on the 'true' day Christ was Crucified... And I'm not talking about the Theory of the Romanian Scientist... And prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that sunrise was at 0600 (6am) Hebrew (Jewish) time table 'back in the day' You may convince me He died on the 9th hour (3PM). Till then that '3 hour window' will always 9at least for me) cast doubt on the exact time of Christs passing.

I feel I should add that I'm a Christian... And a Priesthood holder in my Church. So I'm not 'making' this argument because I'm a 'non-believer'. I'm making it becasue I have seen no PROOF of this so called 'WITCHING HOUR'.

Oh, just for the 'heck' of it has anyone 'factored in' daylight savings time into their 'equations'?

Respectfully,

Rook

Exorcistfan: This is what I got from Wiki, so I hope your statement was "tongue in cheek"...

Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witching_hour

As you can see, IF we are to believe an on-line encyclopedia that is written and edited by anyone with a membership, the timing seems to be "midnight to 3am"... 😊

Junai: Well, that tradition is still practiced by many societies... But the big difference is these folks picnicked around their own family members, as a way to include them in their daily lives... They didn't just go and plop down on some random grave...

I don't think using a Ouija board is just a "little session inviting them to talk"...You can do that with a recorder... As sds said, Ouija opens doors for "who know what?" to enter this realm, and any way you look at it, it's disrespectful... And that was my point... There are many stories on this site alone that recount how people have been followed home by "something" after having been to cemeteries and behaving inappropiately...Again, they got what they asked for...But, that's just my opinion and belief, so I'll continue to be as respectful in a cemetery as I possibly can... Not out of fear from the guardians, but because I feel it's wrong to disturb the residents...

Jerryhend: I should have done some research before I opened my mouth 😆...Don't care for the taste of my own foot 😆...

Http://www.whitedragon.org.uk/articles/crossroad.htm

Rook, I am surprised you are not aware of the 3am time being the 'forbidden hour'. As a horror author I spend hours reasearching everything and anything to do with ghosts, paranormal and demonism and I can tell you that this time is prevalent throughout much of my findings. 'jerry' was spot on with regards to the mockery of the holy trinity as this appears to be something quite universally acccepted, even appearing on Wikipedia no less!

Regards

😁

That was creepy. It gave me goosebumps! If that happened to i'll really freak out. I think that it was some kind of devil doing the mimicking. Sorry for the 'd-word'.

Hello Billy, in our custom and religion, I don't think 3 a.m. Is having any significance or attachment towards paranormal. So we don't call it as witch-hour and only I have seen in Western movies that way. Well, as far as your story is concerned, I think I commented elsewhere also, I don't think it is a good idea to play (I don't know if you can call it play) Ouija Board in the first instance and secondly, definitely not in a cemetery. Many times I commented here that Ouija Board is a gateway for the other side to enter into our realm. We do not know what is in store for us. So, don't use Ouija Board first. Secondly, as others have suggested, it would be better to go to the cemetery and apologize. By the narration, I feel that you are sensitive to paranormal and through it, if you are interested, try to help others.

Like Rook I would be happy to do some research on 3 a.m., if proper links or input is given by others.

Regards and respects to you.

SDS

jerryhend1,

Interesting that in all my years as a practicing Witch and through all the research I've done I have never come across this phenomenon. Do you have any 'links' or can you provide the titles of any books so I can read up on this?

What I do know of the 'Popularization' of this term/time O' night is this...

In Shakespeare's play Hamlet, Hamlet says, "'Tis now the very witching time of night." In other works, specifically Macbeth and Julius Caesar, ghosts and other supernatural phenomena take place around midnight, but the term "witching hour" is never used.

Here in the States in Washington Irving's short story The Legend of Sleepy Hollow. He uses "witching hour" and "witching time" interchangeably. Both terms reference midnight, and are used to conjure in readers a sense of supernatural anxiety. There is little evidence the term has had any practical use prior to this.

In 'modern' Cinema and 'Horror' Fiction we begin to see 3am 'demonized' in books/movies such as The Amityville Horror... While some of the events in this book and movie are based in fact... The Defeo Murders which happened on 13Nov74 being one of the facts... Others are 'less verifiable' In the book that became the movie the time of death of the Family was 'placed' between 0300 (3am) to 03:45 (3:45am) and I believe in the movie they used 03:15 (3:15am). One of the latest Hollywood contributions to this phenomena was the 'Exorcism of Emily Rose'. My point being most of the hype is modern day WESTERN (US influenced) Hollywood/Book Fiction horror stories.

So please share with us your sources of information as I for one would really enjoy researching your claims further.

Respectfully,

Rook

Rookdygin:
Well here we go - every religion that I have read about on this matter of the early morning dreads the 3 am time. While I used to think this was just a hand - me -down form the Romans, this is not so, because it spans the world over from China to the Americas to Africa, when evil is most potent. What I meant by poorly understood is just that - no one can put a finger on it, is it a mockery of the trinity? Or if you believe in Christ that he was killed at 3pm? Now the last two are from Europe and reflect on more western times, that does not explain the rest of the world that dreads this time, it seems to be a time when the veil between good and evil is lifted and they are at their most strongest. So as you can see, no one can put a finger on it - it just seems to be ingrained in we humans. Indeed.

Pardon the interruption...

Jerryhend1,

A most curious statement, most curious indeed, that you have made by saying...

"3am is Very important but for reasons at this time are not fully understood."

Would you care to fill me in? You may do so here 'in public' or if that makes you uncomfortable please e-mail me via my address on my profile.

Billy,

The 'spirits' guided you to the war memorial... Think of the symbolism of that... A memorial for soldiers. Perhaps they are still 'on guard' and wanted to let you know they didn't like your 'weekly performance requests' for any spirits that may have been in/around the cemetery. Thanks for sharing.

Respectfully,

Rook

While I agree with zzsgranny that going back, saying 'hey, sorry, didn't mean to step on toes... I'm respecting your space, please respect mine' is most definitely a good idea, I'm not sure Ouija boards are enough to rile spirits to follow people home. If it's an old graveyard it has to have been around during the Victorian era where it was high fashion to have picnic at the graveyard. Surely leaving your used wrappers and trash around (as I'm sure Victorians did as much as we do in modern times) would've made them far more annoyed than little sessions inviting them to talk. With any luck they're mellow and just wanted some fun with the poor living person they know well enough to really mess with. Still, apologizing is good and it's likely a good idea to stop as it's just asking for trouble.

Ok Billy: I must disagree with zzsgranny on a couple of points 😢 I have dealt with this for a couple of decades. 3am is Very important but for reasons at this time are not fully understood. Cross roads have ALWAYS been important - long before Wiccan became a modern movement religion. (It was a house tradition to go out once a week to use the Ouija board at the local cemetery.) It knew you were coming, you didn't say if you ever used this board in the location or not - but it seems to have your sent so to say, it seems to know your motives and intentions at this time. I don't know your religion but I would personally get blessed because you seem to be on its radar and they never forget. They have forever.

Billy: I'd like to make a couple of points before I go into my "Granny lecture" 😆...3am is "the Devil's/witching hour" only in movies... And "crossroads" are important in the Wiccan religion, but as far as "high spiritual significance", I don't think so!...

Now, ("Granny lecture" time lol) I have the belief that every cemetery has one or more guardian spirits... Since this is a large cemetery, there's probably a few... They are there to insure that those who are being disrespectful are reminded of just where they are; a hallowed, consecrated, eternal resting place... By holding your seances there weekly, you're infringing on the rights of those interred to have a peaceful slumber...Disprespect...And honestly, you got what you asked for... It could have been worse... Some guardians have been known to follow people home and make their lives miserable until they go back and apologize... Which is what I suggest you and your friends do, before this takes a turn for the worse... 😐