Comments for Astral Projection And Mom's Message: Page 1

Dee,

The numerology I have studied always has broken down the Life Path number to a number between 0-9. So if we take the number 11 and 'break it down' it becomes 1 + 1 = 2. Does that 'change' anything for you? Here is how my Birth date breaks down...07/28/1967...

0+7= 7

2+8= 10 = 1+0= 1

1+9+6+7= 23 = 2+3= 5

Then

7+1+5= 13 = 1+3= 4

Life Path 4

Life path number 4 is about putting all the pieces together, it is a builder number. You are grounded, serious, hardworking, analytical, practical and disciplined.

People with a Life Path number 4 are the worker bees of society. If your Life Path is a 4 you are determined, practical and hard working. Down-to-earth is a term that is probably often used to describe you. You find hard work rewarding and don't look for the easy way to the top or to finding success. Not only do you work hard yourself, but you expect the same from those around you.

The Fours like to be organized, and to put things back in their " proper place"... It is one of their strong points, and they feel better able to tackle challenges if they have a solid plan in place beforehand. They tend to be set in their ways and are drawn to leading an orderly life ie. "a place for everything and everything in its place." Home is their haven, and if their home environment appears sloppy and unkempt, that is a sign that a Life Path 4 person is not doing well.
They are usually very cerebral and need to find ways to relax their minds. Otherwise, great ideas live and die in their heads. They have a strong sense of right and wrong, are very honest, and value honesty in others. Fours' dreams are based in reality and they never question that you will have to work hard to make them come true. Loyal and very dependable, they make an excellent friend or partner, but may have just a small circle of friends.

As far as OBE or AP? I can do both, however I find AP to be the easier of the 2 (at least for me). There are comments on some experiences on here where I have been invited to use either AP or OBE/RV and have either been successful or not been able to manage it and documented it one way or the other on the site. As for the 'how' my technique does not differ it's my focal point that changes, I find if I 'focus' on the veil or a particular spirit I 'project' across the veil and onto the spiritual realm (AP). If however I focus on a living individual or their 'emotions' concerning their 'experience' I can 'project' and remain on the physical plane (OBE/RV). I hope that makes sense.

Oh, one last thing, I DO NOT do either without an individuals permission. If I am trying to help someone.

Other members and/or Mods can vouch for this and may even remember some of the names of the experiences (Australia anyone? Or what about the flooded yard around the tree?)

Respectfully,

Rook

Rook,

Thank you for your explanation of the difference between OBE and AP. I'm curious, are you able to achieve both? If so, are there any differences in your approach and/or attempts?

I became interested in numerology about 7 years ago and find the similarities between our personality, traits, perspective, etc and our associated numbers fascinating. Especially the life path number. For myself, it's 11. It appears to be pretty spot on.

Thanks for the information, it's very much appreciated.

Dee

Dee,

I have read Robert Monroe (one or two books) but its been years ago.

As far as their being a difference in Astral Projection/OBE's go, for me it boils down to how I view the difference between the Physical and Spiritual Realms.

The process for either is pretty much the same but the 'realm' you project too allows for different things to happen.

(OBE) Physical realm: The realm of remote viewing and interacting with individuals 'at a distance'.

(Astral Plane): The 'spirit' realm. Interact with spirits 'across' the veil. Look into the past/future. Possibly enter another individuals dreams.

As far as '50 10' goes, if numerology is applied we get the 'base number/life path' 6 and that equals this...

Your Purpose:
Your purpose is to develop nurturing, balanced responsibility, acceptance, service to others, and visionary pursuits.

Understand that these "themes" will be reoccurring issues throughout your life. Your Life Path number indicates what you're evolving into, developing, aspiring toward, and learning about.

So while you'll display innate gifts and talents in the areas of emphasis, you'll also experience some consistent obstacles as you master your life's purpose.

In Alignment:
Family-oriented, romantic, responsible, artistically creative, supportive, devoted, loving, sensible.

Out Of Alignment:
Perfectionist, critical, idealistic to a fault, self-righteous, meddling OR irresponsible, indulgent, non-committal, self-absorbed.

The Key:
Is there a way for you to key into your visionary capabilities and let go of your need for control?

As a 6, you're a "big picture" kind of person. Ultimately, you're meant to be your own boss (Translation: You don't like be told what to do!). So pay close attention and learn how to build your own business in an effective way. You can be a natural entertainer - creativity is a forte. You're also a natural counselor, lover of beauty, and cultivator of loving service. Anything in the justice field is enticing. Home and family are important for you, so you might lean toward anything that enriches that aspect of your life.

The Message:
You're here to balance your sense of responsibility and to do loving service with and for others. You're the "home and family" person and often thrive when working with justice-related issues, in the creative arts, or anywhere a sense of beauty is required. You're a nurturing presence as long as you manage your perfectionism. Caution: You're a control freak, so lighten up! Accept the perfection of the imperfection of everything.

Respectfully,

Rook

Melda,

I sent you that email. Let me know if you have any questions. Have a great day!

- Dee ❤

Hi there Tweed, it's so good "see" you 😊

I like your husband's rain analogy, it makes perfect sense to me. I believe that some premonitions aren't set on stone. I didn't really view my experience as a premonition so to speak, but more of a 'heads up' (something is going to happen, she couldn't tell me the details, but I would just 'know').

I just realized something; a few members asked if 50 10 could mean something else, but part of her message included:

"Something will happen next week and you will know what it means".

That's part of the reason why I attached 50 10 to my cousin's death. It did happen the following week. I was also focusing on the numbers, but that's a key detail. Of course, I could have missed something else, it's always a possibility.

You're right, I didn't think about the importance of the warehouse. That's interesting, I'll definitely have to think about that.

I agree, I think while 'out', we see spirits as they were. Of course, that's my belief because it's how I experience it. I've read of people describing spirits as light and energy too, which sounds amazing, but I've never encountered this. I think we retain our personality, so it would make sense to appear as we 'were', and especially if one was sick at the time of death, to appear healthy. Likewise, for how we would recognize them. If I ever get the chance to visit with my grandfather, I'd hope he would show up as I knew him, because I don't think I would recognize his 20 year old self. 😉

Thank you for reading and as always, your intriguing thoughts ❤

Dee

Hi Dee,

I'm sorry you and your family went through this.
Your mother's words to you indicate such certainty. It's hard to imagine what happened being fixed in place. My husband introduced me to the idea that premonitions are like weather forecasts. Rain is 70% likely, so chances are it will happen. Obviously your mother was very certain.

Think about what your mother said, I think she was being very direct and careful with her words. "Listen, pay attention. You need to remember 50 10". Then she replies to your question with "Just remember 50 10..."
Give it time, I think the significance of 50 10 will reveal itself. You may be experiencing a partial awareness presently, with the date connection. But the baffling '50' may simply be taking a while to make sense.
I'd consider the significance of the warehouse location you met her in. If you ever find yourself there again, especially if it's in your waking physical life, ask someone about 50 10. The factory location may be more significant than you realise.
Thought also 50 10 could refer to a passage in a book, or a street address, or an item number inside a factory/warehouse, a locker number or lock combination.

As for what we look like when we're 'out' I think it's different person to person. I'm a what you see is what you get kind. So the way I am in the here and now is the same whilst 'out'.
Some people identify as all sorts of stuff and nonsense. I think it comes down to what you feel inside, perhaps also your karma and personal faith. There are loads of accounts on here where OBE seems the most likely explanation. In these instances people report folks looking/sounding exactly as they do in the physical world. In heaps of these encounters people don't know it's an OBE apparition until the next day. Or they roll over in bed and the same person is next to them sleeping!
My belief is our appearance in the here and now is the same on the other side. Or at least this is our default identity, the one we're most attached to. A lot of folks report seeing loved ones on the other side appearing younger or older than they knew them. I think this refers to how the that ghost feels within themselves. The age at where they most identify.

Dee, I meant 40, so that by the time you're 50, the child will be 10. My interpretation is likely off, but I'm definitely getting a child and adult image. Maybe it's not your biological child?

Thanks for describing your experience too. I also don't know how they knew that I could leave. I do remember that the corners were the places where it was most common for people to find a way out. Every wall was a 'window'. Corners were weak.

As far as the journey, I wrote a description of it in my journal the day after I had that experience and I let my father read it. He didn't like it and said he hoped that wasn't what the afterlife was like. I'll share it sometime if I can find the right place to post it.

Dandk,

That is an amazing experience! I sat and thought about the barrier you described with the people trying to contact the living. It sounds like what is described as the 'veil' (the veil separates the physical and spiritual planes).

Your mention of the group 'knowing' you could go back reminded me of an experience I had that seems similar. I had projected into what appeared to be a large gathering of people (two deceased family members were there). After speaking with my grandmother, a man approached me and somehow knew I wasn't one of them (I don't know how). He was fascinated with the fact that I was 'there' on their plane but still had a physical body. He excitedly asked me questions on how I left the physical body, what did it feel like, how did I 'do it'... Etc. I remember him saying a few times "But you still have a physical body right? That's fascinating!". He was a spirit, but I had no clue who he was. That encounter always stuck with me. How did he know I wasn't one of them?

I would love to read about the journey you mentioned with the recently deceased. It sounds fascinating.

Well now you have me thinking as far as "pay attention' being a warning or marker for significant change. I'm not sure, I'll have to ponder on that one. I will be 40 next year, but no more children for me. Or did you mean 50 instead of 40 (as far as the numbers I got)? No rambling here, just opportunities for the mind to open up. 😊

Thank you for your condolences and for your input. I really appreciate it. 😊

Dee

That is a really cool story, DandK!

I wonder how and why some entities are able to get past this invisible barrier that you describe. 🤔

Dee, I'm sorry about your loss. I hope everyone is doing ok.

I've astral projected, but didn't realise the name for it until I read Rook's definition. It was unintentional all times that it happened (about half a dozen that I remember). I've never thought about a body during these times. I always just 'was'. I was either with a being that I knew was there without seeing them (once), or I was with people that had died.

Once I vividly recall being with a group of people that had just died and they were all silent. I stayed with them on a journey that they took.

Another time it was a group of people watching the living through a clear barrier that they couldn't get through. Everyone there desperately wanted to talk to someone. I recall one lady (she looked like a clothed person) coming up to me and telling me such a sad story that I dropped all of my thoughts to help her try and find a seam in the barrier that she could use to get out. They all knew I could go back. I wondered what the heck I was doing there, so I left. I haven't done it that I know of since then.

Dee, when I read your statement from your mom about 'pay attention' that reminds me of things I've heard. If I interpret that based on my experiences, I do not think this is related to the death of your cousin. It's a warning, for sure. It is a marker for an event that is big enough to significantly change your life. If you had a child when you were 40, I would say it was related to a major event when your child was 10. Could be completely out there - I just felt compelled to tell you all of this. Sorry if it is rambling gibberish!

RSAchick,

I'm pretty certain she said 50, but of course there has been doubt.

How I took this as a heads up... That they (my family) were expecting my cousin to pass away as it was his time and that we weren't meant to step in to change the circumstances. Also, that everything would be ok and to understand that some things are out of our control as hard as it is to accept.

My mother looked beautiful... Sort of glowing and a bit younger, maybe about 30 years old. Yes, I've met what I believe to be my spirit guides (or guardians) and a few other deceased family members, though briefly. They appeared as they did in the physical, just a bit younger, healthy and glowing, with a peacefulness about them. Overall, I noticed how calm and loving they felt. ❤

Thanks for reading. 😊

Dee

Rook

I've noticed people use the terms 'OBE and Astral Projection' interchangeably. I also do this. I'm not sure I see a difference between the two descriptions. I look at it in a basic way; our souls are out of the physical body, whether projected into the spiritual, physical or astral plane. I guess it depends on the individual's belief's.

Have you read any of Robert Monroe or William Buhlman's books? Though some of the techniques and viewpoints differ, I found the information very helpful.

❤ Dee

Val,

That's amazing! I haven't heard of that. Very validating for me too. It's amazing that so many cultures acknowledge and respect the existence of an afterlife. I feel that the U.S. Is so behind in our beliefs of this. I do notice a change and awareness happening, though it's slow going.

Aliens... Don't get me started. I'm a believer 😊

Thanks for reading and the awesome info.

Dee ❤

Melda,

That's ok 😊 I will send an email within the next few days. It's been a bit hectic around here. My daughter is graduating soon! 😆

❤ Dee

Jubeele,

I know I'm very lucky to experience any kind of visit with my mother. I wish all those who have lost loved ones could experience the same. Wouldn't the world be a happier place? The doubts would cease, we would understand that this is truly temporary and we are loved, guided and watched over always.

I agree with MrRiggs. I usually refer to ghosts as spirits instead. They were once in a physical body, just like us. I believe we carry some, if not most of our personality traits when we leave the physical.

Ha! Great minds think alike. I've also wondered if shadow people are travelers. Perhaps, they are just as surprised when we notice them. Also, think of the number of people that have described 'crazy' or realistic dreams. Are we dreaming, visiting, or out of body/traveling? The possibilities are endless. 😊

Thank you for reading! ❤

Dee

Lady-glow,

Sorry for the delay. It's been a long, busy weekend.

Thank you for your condolences. "The reassurance that death is not the end"... Yes. That's exactly what I thought after my first OBE. I didn't see my mother the first few times, but I instinctively 'knew' life after death is a fact (for me anyway). I cannot describe how it felt to hug my mother and feel her again. Pure love and joy is the best I can come up with. However, I did notice that the feeling is very similar to dream 'visits'.

It sounds like you were very close to separating fully. I've encountered the same 'stuck' situation too. I noticed that if I concentrate too much, I end the process totally. I would describe the separation process as having a small window from my experiences. I have to be totally relaxed, and remember to not concentrate too much, giving myself over to the feelings and signals totally.

Thank you for reading. ❤

Dee

This is really puzzling and fascinating to me. Dee, is it possible she said 15 instead? And does that mean anything to you?

I don't get what the purpose of this heads-up could be?

Thanks val and rook for informative comments.

Lastly, Dee, what did your mom look like on the astral plane? And have you met others there? And what do they look like?

Based on my experience, lucid dreaming is being in a dream state but able to control what is happening within the dream. Spirits may try to communicate with us in our dreams but it's all 'intrnal'... A better choice of words may be... Its all in our heads.

Astral Projection on the other hand is when an individual projects their spirit out of their body and into the spiritual plane. Not to be confused with an OBE. Which is when an individual's spirit is projected out of their body onto the physical plane. Either make me feel completely spent whereas in a lucid dream I feel as if I slept.

Llwellins (sp) Guide to Astral travel, is a wonderful book that explains Astral Travel and it's the book I learned 'how to' from.

Please feel free to ask any questions you may have.

Respectfully,

Rook

Yes, Val. I have experienced the floating sensation before. I realized I was floating away from my body and tried to "swim" my way back. I felt like I was attached by a cord that was invisible but I just never knew what to think of it. I still don't know how to feel about it. But I want to learn more about it.

Yeah where Rook and Biblio at!? 😆 Get in here, gentlemen.

DirtCreature,
Astral projection or lucid dreaming? That's a fairly common question, and there's a good many different answers. Personally, I think it depends on the individual. For myself, I refer to it as 'flavors'. Ordinary dreams simply feel 'different', then message ones. And the few times that I went 'somewhere' while meditating definitely had a very different flavor than either one, and very close to lucid dreaming. I can tell you I was aware of traveling up to a point. Going from black to lighter shades of grey, and then a fogginess until I reached my destination. I don't recall feeling as if I had weight, but then, I have never looked down to see myself either.
Hopefully some of the others will chime in on how it feels to them. Especially if Rook sees this.

Lady-glow, Jubeele and Val...

I will respond to you a bit later. I have to mow the lawn. Blah 😜

❤ Dee

Luciajacinta,

I haven't heard about spirits speaking in reverse. I'll have to look into that, very interesting. This took place on May 5th or 6th, I remember it happened 4 - 5 days before my cousin passed away. It was during the day, I've never been able to project at night because I end up falling asleep. I know the 50 part is confusing, I thought maybe I had misunderstood and she said 5 10 but, truthfully I remember it as 50 10.

Nothing stood out or I didn't make a connection with any other date or detail. I know I drove myself bonkers over it. 😜

Thank you for your sympathies. My mom was 42, much to young. However, I always felt (and still feel guilt) for my brothers. They were 16 and 13 at the time. It just changes everything.

Thank you for reading 😊

Dee

Hey DC! Good to "see" you! 😊

I understand what you mean. Like I said, I was previously in the "Astral projection? Yea right!" group. Usually it falls into the category of 'you have to experience it to believe it'. I'm lucky to have a few people that believe it. All it takes is an open mind. 😊

As far as distinguishing it from a dream; Yes it's very apparent that you're out of body, without a doubt. I've had lucid dreams and definitely notice a difference between dreams, astral projection and lucid dreaming.

It's very difficult to 'prove' it. At least from my own experience and from others that I've talked to or read experiences about. Plus, to be honest, your mindset isn't on proving it, but experiencing it.

How it feels... Yep, weightless is spot on. Imagine a balloon filled with helium and holding the string while you float upwards. You can walk though too. It isn't just 'Out of body = floating/flying'. You choose whether to walk, run, fly, float, swim, etc (well, probably after some practice).

I'm glad you enjoyed it, thanks for reading. 😊

Dee

At Val,

I often think there must be truths in many if not all religions. Over time, humans have come to many strange conclusions about existence "illness is caused by evil spirits, so let's drill a hole in their head?". But it seems much phenomenon I and others have experienced has been known about for hundreds of years or more. Whether it be a mundane explanation or something more, we may never know. But, it is still fascinating!🤔

When a person experiences astral projection, is it distinguishable from a dream? Are you aware of it happening or is it only confirmed by waking experiences? Does it feel weightless?

Dee,
" I've only looked down at my arm one time and it appeared sort of translucent, almost see through, outlined with a faint white light. I thought that was pretty amazing. 😊" You may find it interesting that from the artistic point of view astral bodies' have always been depicted this way in art or as an outline with no features. The Egyptian priests knew of the existence of the astral body, and they left inscriptions and drawings on the rock walls of many temples and buildings, representing it as something subtle and light abandoning the physical body 3,000 to 5000 years ago.
There has been some debate that similar things have appeared in a few cave paintings as well (well that and aliens).

Dee - The system will not allow me to vote for you.

Yes please do send me your tips, I'm sure I'll find them very interesting even if I do still decide to close myself to astral travel. My email address is on my profile page.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Regards, Melda

Hi Dee, I've always marvelled at astral travellers. And to have loving contact with your Mum? It is such a blessing. It's hard to accept that all too often, we can't stop sad things from happening. But what we can do is to love and support those left behind. ❤

I'm reminded of a comment MrRiggs made about the relationship between a ghost and a soul (see "Why Is She Just Standing There?"):
"The OBE is a human spirit or soul temporarily out of its body. A ghost may be a human spirit or soul permanently out of its body. If they are both human spirits or souls, then there may be similarities in their ability to move or travel."

He had witnessed an attack on his brother while having an OBE. But due to the stressful situation, his brother obviously didn't notice his presence. Like Melda, I've also wondered how travellers appear to people who may "see" them. It probably depends what they were doing at the time.

Could some of the shadow people, witnessed by so many of us, possibly be travellers passing through? 👤

CuriousDee - I'm sorry for your loss.

This experience is fascinating in so many levels!
To be able to hug your mother again, and to have the reassurance that death is not the end of existence.

Though the 50 might seem confusing, the fact that it's meaning 'hit you' is enough to confirm that that's the message your mother wanted you to know.

Once I had a partial and spontaneous OBE, I was resting in bed and, all of a sudden, I saw my body floating and swaying and, at the same time, lying in bed. Both my bodies were connected to only one head and, curious as I am, I tried to shake my head hoping that this would help to separate my two bodies but... The floating one fell down back into my solid body.

Thanks for sharing!

My thoughts are that I've heard spirits speak in backwards talk so 50 could definitely be 05, but 10? I guess it's just mixed up a bit? I don't know. Unless something happened on 05 01? Question: what night/ day did this projection happen? Anything else significant happen on those numbers as well? This could have been about your cousin as well but I'm just wondering. I mean it makes sense, but wondering if anything else too. How old was your mom when she passed? Oh and I'm sorry for all your loss. It must have been a shock losing your cousin.

Hey Dee girl 😊,

Thanks for sharing this experience. I totally understand your feelings of skepticism. It is a hard concept to wrap one's head around. Frankly, I think what makes it more so is that astral projection is, like many supernatural/spiritual/religious ideas, not a scientifically and widely accepted one. Honestly, half the stuff that happens in the world we have proven is mind boggling and without the evidence, I would not be able to take in many concepts about the universe.

This was a really fascinating account.

Melda,

Thank you, yes, he was my cousin too. We come from a close knit family. My mother has 2 sisters one 1 brother: so there are oodles of cousins. We've stayed close since childhood and that's been a blessing in disguise as my mother, her brother and sister all passed away (all before 49 years old).

I'm sorry your experiences haven't been positive. I've read about and heard from others who have experienced the same thing. Honestly, I wouldn't give up. If you want, I could give you some tips (via email), it's up to you.

Involuntary... I always read as spontaneously. As in, there is a reason you are able to do it and your soul/higher self kicks your butt into gear. 😊 Lol

I wish I knew how we appeared on the astral plane. I've read different accounts and points of view so I guess it depends on the individual. I've only looked down at my arm one time and it appeared sort of translucent, almost see through, outlined with a faint white light. I thought that was pretty amazing. 😊

Thanks for reading and commenting. ❤

Dee - That really was an amazing experience. How wonderful for you to meet with your mother on these travels.

Yes the 50 10 is a bit confusing but she probably had a reason for putting it in that manner. It's very sad about your cousin's brother - I assume he was your cousin as well. My condolences on his passing.

I've had a number of astral travel experiences, all of them involuntary, but was so badly frightened on the last one, a few years back, that I prayed to all that was holy never to allow me to experience it again. That was the end of it for me. I won't go into detail as I don't want to detract from your experience.

Just as a matter of interest, how do we appear to people during astral travel, perhaps an orb or a shadow? Do you know what appearance you assume Dee?

Regards, Melda