Comments for I Thought Evil Was Bad?: Page 2

To Hoochler- No, I don't agree with that comment. I just pointed out one that I agreed with. I try not to say anything to offend anyone. I just bring up things I notice about belief systems.

As for the verses you couldn't find, here they are:

Leviticus 21:18-21- For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God- King James Version.

In the Old Testament, 'offerings' were a way to atone for 'sins' made by the people, however, what does one do if one has the following criteria for 'unworthiness' and they live alone, or with another with the same, as diseases and health problems were quite prominent in that time period?

As for attitude... Attitude influences choice. When making decisions, you generally think before you make them, whether in a positive notion or negative notion. Even when you impulsively make a decision, its still determined by a subconscious emotion.

Also... I find that the best teachers are the ones with the most experience. This includes experiences on all levels, including ones of possible drug usage. Think- would you rather get honest, accurate advice from someone who's experienced in the particular field in question, or someone who takes an educated guess, based on what they've seen, without any personal experience, aka a suggestion or piece of advice that the teacher isn't too knowledgeable about?

Some consequences are bad, and others are good. Its just up to the individual if they want to live a little, or don't, if they don't think they can handle it. Some of the best (if not most) music and art in history has been produced while the artist is under the influence. Not all artists choose this, but each person is inspired differently, and that's their prerogative.

At Javelina- I never once stated the Flood didn't happen. Its only logical to assume that with every ancient religion, a lot of embellishment is made, because as stories get passed orally, they tend to change. Kind of like a "Big Fish" story. As you said, a lot of cultures have a Flood story, so its only logical to assume embellishment and metaphorical references occurred, as each of them are different, event wise.

One more thing. The Ten Commandments are another example of oral and written history. With one distinction; when deciphering the Dead Sea Scrolls they found the Ten Commandments to have stayed nearly perfect when compared to the Old Testament version. There were only ten.

Jav

SMC: Not even close to an arguement 😆...Everyone's been civil, so far, and I find it interesting... Sorry if you're stressing out though 😆...

I like this conversation for the simplicity of it. No reason at all to get complicated.
However, denying that certain events in the bible could have occurred, is a little naive really. One thing that seems to be universal is the 'flood'. Nearly every culture around the globe has the story of that same flood passed down from generation to generation. Archaeologists have been finding evidence for it world wide. It's just the story of why it happened that differs from culture to culture. But apparently, it's a proven event.
The only reason I mention that is because all the nay saying aside, historical events that have been passed down are being proven to have actually taken place. Did miracles occur? Well, to Noah and his family they did. Saying the bible is just fiction is your opinion. As far as I'm concerned, when you brush away millennia of oral and written history, you are closing down the one thing you claim to possess.
An open mind.

Jav

Hello, forgive me if I am wrong - and its rare that I would say this; but this story seems like somebody's attempt at writing scary fiction. I don' believe it. It doesn't feel true. Sorry if I am wrong.

Well, I would tell a priest about it and just pray to God, but I don't know if you should pray to God while the incubus is watching as for that could lead to trouble. Why don't you try getting someone (Who believes in the paranormal) to come and sleep in the same room as you more often like your friend in the story? Hope this helps 😊

Red is a girl... Everyone chipper up 😉, this is getting long and intense...don't want anyone to be angry at anyone. 😢 Everyone has different beliefs, and sometimes its nice to share them, but I think this is turning into more of an argument than a discussion. Its stressing me out reading it! Lol!

Shini, I hope you don't agree with redphx when he says the following.

..."the bible. It's literal piss. I hate the bible and all it stands for."... &..."Red holds out hand palm up. "You see that?" Thats the smallest cookie in the world just for you"...

Because those are the types of comments I was asking him to tone down (and it looks like he has, for which I thank him). I also share Lou's curiosity of where redphx gets his spiritual enlightenment from.

I don't really understand what you were saying about the book of Leviticus stating that being blind or crippled is an abomination, I could find no mention of that.

Not sure what you are trying to say about attitude having the most say in any situation, that does not make sense to me. It seems to me that choices and their eventual consequences is the end all be all. Attitudes flavor choices, but attitude alone has no consequence all by itself.

As I tried to explain earlier, its not about us being fine with others choices (judging), its about the end resulting consequences of choices. I was not judging redphx for his alcohol use in school, I was simply trying to point out that alcohol use while being a student is not the traditional best path to creating the best teacher possible later in life.

This thread is getting repetitious and has no constructive purpose that I can see, especially with the author seemingly having abandoned it. I am not going to post anything more in this thread.

This is pretty interesting...

I do have to agree with Red and say that I think a few things from the Bible, (Jonah and the Whale, The Flood) are more than likely metaphorical, or perhaps the people who took recordings did what any other ancient, structured religion did and probably embellished the truth of a situation, due to lack of adequate research, at that given time period.

I also think that Jesus was one of the many philosophical greats. As you can tell by skimming the Bible, Old Testament through New Testament, Jesus was sort of a "revolutionary", as he seemed to replace Old Testament ideas with those found in the New Testament. This is probably how he gained some "infamy" with certain groups of people.

I also have to point out something that Lou mentions... If the whole Bible is God's Word, then care to take a look at Leviticus. It clearly states that a man can have supremacy over another, in the form of slavery. A man can also sell his daughter into slavery.

Leviticus 25:44- Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids- King James Bible.

^An example of general slavery.

Exodus 21:7- And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do- King James Bible.

^Not only is this an example of slavery being allowed, but it also is an example of females being inferior to males.

If you want to go even further with superiority, there are also the verses that site different things, such as homosexuality, having defects, such as less than perfect vision, or being a cripple of some sort, as abominations. All of the above mentioned can be found in Leviticus, along with a lot of other 'abominations'.

This begs the question- If the categories of people in question are 'abominations', does that not put them below the people who are not?

Another question can stem from what I've just thrown forth- Despite most Christians today go by New Testament doctrines, (although some still use the Old Testament for various purposes, like blaming others for things...), can anyone who practices Christianity (also, the same could be said for practically any religion) assume that this is the word of God, if it includes such passages like those from Leviticus and Exodus?

Another thing I saw- someone mentioned drug usage. Well... Drug usage can affect people in different ways. I don't use any, but I'm completely fine if people want to be casual users. Some of the most intellectual people (recorded thus far), have used various forms of drugs. So have a ton of inspirational, intellectual, and revolutionary artists.
You let it be what you want it to be. Some have the will to be only casual users, because they know they have important things to accomplish, and others get addicted, can't control themselves any more, and go into a downward spiral.

Attitude has the most say in nearly any situation.

Anyway... That's just some stuff I've noticed and interpreted from various topics. Its all cool whether you agree or not.

redphx,
I am at a bit of a loss. You yourself say you disregarded your Catholic education, you have no acreditable source of the knowledge that you proclaim to have, that is either documented or delivered to you by any identifiable source. You have no proof of your claims of knowledge about Jesus Christ, other than those written by other men...therefore, by your own definition they are inadmissable as proof of the life you claim he lived.
Anyone who considers a church anything more than a house of worship, is a blasphemist. Did someone from the church claim to be an authority, because the churches I frequent teach God's word, not their own agenda. And God's word gives us free will and no man is in supremacy over another.
I am still waiting to hear where this information you and you alone possess came from... Since you discredit the men who put God's Word to paper, no man's opinion can be trusted... So what supreme being provided you with this information?

Lou

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I thought the discussion was interesting so I hope ya'll don't mind if I butt in...

I have read the Bible myself, and I do find that it bears a lot of inconsistencies and many of the stories sound exactly like urban legends and folklore of the time period in which it was written. I do agree that it has been used as a tool of control and as a justification for a lot of really horrifying things.

However, I also think that the biggest problem is interpretation. The Bible means something different to each person that reads it, and I believe that it was originally intended to create a set of guidelines of what was socially acceptible for people of the period in which it was written. It also provided a theory for the creation and order of all things, and foundation was something that people really needed back in those days. There was so much that the world did not yet know.

The other problem with present-day vs. Biblical times is the fact that times HAVE changed and we know so much more about the world we live in. Back then, the earth was flat and if you thought it was round you were a heretic. The Bible is archaic and unfortunately, you cannot really update a book that is supposed to be the word of God to fit today's standards. I do not think that the whole thing is hogwash, though... I believe that there is some good to be taken from it. There is also a great deal of fiction in it, and I do not think it should be taken as literally as people take it.

As far as the whole Jesus thing... I agree that he was probably a real person, and a very spiritual one at that, who intended to help people understand that we are all humans and we are all on the same level. No one of us is given by god or the gods any special elevation above the next Joe or Jane. That idea, however, was a massive threat to the monarchial rule of his time, when pharaohs and other rulers were thought to be throned by god/the gods. Of course Jesus would be targeted as an enemy, because his ideas brought revolution and uprising against the tyrannical and absolute rule of that day's leaders. I think his message was more that we are ALL children of god/the gods, not that he was the one and only son of god himself.

Redphx, I think your ideas are very interesting and I respect them even where they differ from mine. I think it is refreshing to hear a different perspective on things.

redphx, your crudeness and sarcasm are unbecoming and really quite telling. I guess we can agree to disagree, but I ask that you please quit hammering away on the Bible, especially in vague terms that have utterly no merit.

Also, I could not disagree with you more on your contention that past choices / actions have no bearing in one's life. For example it is doubtful that a person (not saying this is you) who became a drug addict at age 12 would likely not ever be able later to become a Rhodes scholar, even if that person were to have started off life with the requisite intelligence. Never mind the extreme case of drug abuse, even one quarter in high school of bad grades would close that door to someone.

What knowledge do teachers that booze their way through their own schooling have to offer a perspective student? If you were not taught the things you wish to teach others in school, what is the wellspring that acts as the source of the spiritual knowledge you espouse?

It's not about being judged, its about consequences for one's choices. Speaking of consequences, it is my understanding that anyone who is successful at leading others astray spiritually in this life will hear about that in the afterlife.

I do believe in Jesus but not the same way you do. I don't think he was the son of God. I think that he was an enlightened man who reached the goal and is the white light. That is it.

I wasn't raised Catholic at all. I was raised to nothing. My mother is a witch and my dad some christian thing. They have never put any influence on me at all. I went to Catholic hs for the education. Trust me, I was almost kicked out for being a witch just like I am asked to never return to all the churches. I question their authority and their beliefs. I don't know if what is in the bible happened. To be honest I think most of it is a crock. I do know a man by the name of Jesus did exist and he taught many people very great things. I believe Jesus was married had kids. I don't view him as the Christians do at all.

It is hard to see where I come from because what it is, is taking what everyone believes to be right and putting it together and trimming away the BS. Plus it goes deeper than that. It is a knowing not a belief.

redphx,
I guess that is where you lose me. I was raised a Catholic; and it is the reason I was so far from God, until the last several years. Organized religion has ruined many a Christian. But just because you were taught wrong, does not mean the Bible has no value. Christians have the Bible, and it stands up for those of us and others to scrutinize. You hold yourself and "your kind" above what the Bible stands for, but through all of your vibrations, levels, galaxies, astral projections not one of "those in the know" like yourself, has a written doctrine for the rest of humanity to learn by.
Maybe the men who wrote the Bible twisted it to fit their beliefs and lifestyles, but if you believe in Jesus, as you claim, you cannot discount the events that took place. The apostles and all who contributed could very well have given their interpretation of God's word... But at least they had the balls to put their names on it.

Lou

and yes I agree with the stories in the bible. But the problem is people take it too literal. The meaning and symbolism is lost and they think that everything written is truth. When it is not. I'm glad you like the Bible. I am happy you read it. Good for you.

Red holds out hand palm up. "You see that?" Thats the smallest cookie in the world just for you

um. I don't want to inform people about the bible. It's literal piss. I hate the bible and all it stands for. I was pointing out how the bible was written by humans not by God himself and how the book is used to control people. I never tried to quote the bible. And what I did as a kid has no matter to what I am now. If everyone was judged on what they did while they were kids no one would get anywhere.

redphx, can you see the irony in what you are saying? You want to teach others, yet during your own education you say you were intoxicated. You want to inform others about the Bible, but you don't remember much about the Bible yourself. I would encourage anyone curious about the Bible to read the Bible for themselves and then draw their own conclusions, not rely on anyone else to give them their own personal commentary Cliff's notes version.

I used to see the Bible in a similar light that redphx describes until I was encouraged to read it for myself and as I did I discovered for myself how beautiful and full of spiritual truth the Bible is (both old and new testament).

Yes. I went to Catholic High School. Do I remember most of it, not really. Wasn't sober most of high school.

redphx, you mention a lot about the Bible in vague terms. I am curious, have you read the entire Bible, cover to cover?

Lou,

Don't worry I don't get offended easily. I enjoy answering your questions because I enjoy informing people of what is what.

Ok. Like I said I don't know where souls are created. I don't think that God has anything to do with soul creation. I think that is done by something else. What I don't know. I won't speculate too much because I could be wrong.

Yes. Earth is a testing ground. A journey to rack up experiences. It is all on the path to becoming a better soul. Demons do have their own world but when they come to our world it is an escape for them. We don't see angels here too often because angels live in a nice world already. Demons do not. It is like angels are from Denmark and demons are from Juarez Mexico. Not everyone from Juarez is bad so some try to escape to other places for safety. But when they go to a calmer place they still have a ruggedness about them because of what they've witnessed. They are sometimes a little harder skinned. Demons don't belong here but they can find ways to come here. In my opinion some come here to escape their world and find peace. Those are the demons we don't see who keep to themselves. Others may accidentally find a way into our world and come here to pick on people and be the superior being. They are on a power trip.

I don't understand your question about being tried against demons? We are never compared to demons nor are we required to dwell with them unless we choose to not better ourselves. Jesus did have to go through the same tribulations as we do. He is only human and he was a great one at that. He never judged and he came here to show us all how to live and be good people. He was the ultimate role model for all beings not just humans. I've heard that Jesus has taken many forms in other parallels and he has shown those beings how to live too. So he is the ultimate light in other dimensions too. I found that intersting. Jesus was not God. We are all of God. We are all under one hat striving for the same goal of enlightenment.

The only way to the upper levels is not just through Jesus. That would go against everything he stands for when he accepts everyone. The Christian God is a very harsh one. The humans wrote a book that is used to control. The bible is not meant to be taken literally it is meant as guide to give examples on how to live. The commandments are missing about 90 of them. Jesus didn't come here and say follow me or be lost forever. He said do as I do. Show mercy and accept people for their flaws and who they are. Try to guide those who seem to be living immoral lives. I think the way Christians view Jesus is sick and I think he crys over how much blood and hatred is shed in his name. He was not like that. He didn't care if no one ever loved him, he loved them and that is what mattered to him. I do not like the bible and I think that the entire story should be told. Not just what stories a group of balding impotent men decided they would share with the people. Being a good moral person will get you into the light. Not following Jesus, which most christians don't do anyway because they don't understand what it means not to judge and persecute others for their beliefs. Ignorance is how the church keeps control over everyone. There is a reason that I am not allowed to go into most churches by my house and that's because when I go there I question their authority andt therefore I must be of the devil. Who doesn't even exist!

I wasn't sent here to teach this crap. I came here on my own to teach other things. We all get to choose when we are born and who we know in our life. We have a set guidline for ourselves before we come here. Noramlly we screw it up and get off course. There are other people who know what I know but they are far and few between. Most won't even talk about it because it is very hard to talk to people who have been taught something their whole lives and ask them to think outside of it. Most people who can astrally project know most of what I talk about because they can actually go to the astral and learn and ask questions. I've never been able to do that on demand. Only when I am asleep and then I can't control where I go. The bible talks about the things that I talk about just in a different way and they are labeled different. But the writers of the bible used a lot of symbolism that people today take as literal meaning. That is not supposed to be

DeviousAngel
I see exactly what your saying, and I agree. Also, I got mixed up with the alphabets. Kanji is very complex. It does feel like there are some holes here, would love to know more about this story

Hellquin: it's easy enough to figure out the symbols if they are in hiragana or katakana. I have pretty much figured those two out, but the thing is, hiragana is not traditionally used to convey messages that could otherwise be shortened by kanji and katakana is solely used for foreign words and to indicate a foreign accent. It is near impossible to be an expert on kanji, because there literally are over 50, 000 symbols for kanji alone as recognized by the Japanese government. The average adult would probably use around 3,500.

That still leaves open the possibility for 3,500 kanji symbols, 46 katakana symbols and 46 hiragana symbols. So the author is saying, without explaining that they have a fluent understanding of Japanese, that they were able to decipher a poorly scrawled message by a spirit out of a possible 3,592 characters. At least twice. Something is wrong here.

Very interesting story here, a few things are a questionable but they have all been brought up in previous comments. Still, very interesting story.
DeviousAngel, I have been studying Japanese for about a year now and I'm not going to say I'm a expert because I'm far from it. But, I agree with you, the Japanese characters that have were seen would be very hard to translate unless there is someone who could read and translate it for you. Also, I always thought Kanji was the easiest of the three. Perhaps it's a individual thing. I would like to hear more about this story as/if it develops

redphx,
I'm always picking at things, so do not take offence. Our beliefs are very different on this matter. I don't wish to argue, just try to understand your understanding of these things. In my world, God creates human souls. God does not create demons, so demonic entities are not born of
God and do not come from the same place human souls come from.
For some reason, the whole "humans are on earth to learn" thing doesn't make sense. So is earth a testing ground/training camp to get ready for the afterlife? If that is the case, why would demons come to earth when their realm has been established and their level can not change?
Are you inferring that Jesus had to go through a similar ascension through these levels to reach the level at which he now sits? Jesus was the human manifestation of God. His trials and tribulations leading to his resurrection were from carrying the burden of the sins of all humanity. Humans can have and be all that Jesus was; we were created in God's likeness... So why would we be tried amongst the ranks of demonic entities?
The basis of Christianity and the afterlife are pretty simple. The only way to heaven is through Jesus... And you have up until the very moment that your soul leaves your body to accept him as Lord and Savior. If you choose not to, then you are destined to live amongst the entities that started this conversation... And none of them are good.
If you have been sent here to teach, and are aware of this status, where are the others? You cannot be the only one. God controls all, but gave us free will to muck things up. IF you indeed have been sent to teach, it is his will, and he would have spoken to you. I want to hear about that conversation.
(since the author has abandoned this thread)

Lou

Ive actually took Japanese in school for two years, I can't really read Kanji but its easy to figure out the meaning of the symbol then you would believe, I can make out kanjis just from random shirts I buy, or old Zatoichi posters my brother gets.

Although this story does seem a little odd, like the fact that there is two incubi in the same house. And the fact the poster is only 15, why is it in most of these incubus stories the person is always a young teenager? Is that all sex demons want is teens? Sounds like pedophiles to me...

...But anyway, some advice, you should try to get rid of them as soon as possible, they are evil and are only there to feed on energy. Try to smudge your house and room (thats lighting some sage and blessing the place with your own prayer)

I didn't miss it. I was just tired of saying things weren't true all the time. The military time I missed. Becuase I know nothing of military time. Tha Japanese thing I didn't. I laughed and thought to myself how curious to know how many demons spoke Japanese. Most rarely know how to speak words we can understand much less write it. And demons rarely live together unless they are partners. That is just what I've observed. They are very selfish creatures and they don't like to share their space too often. They do have friends but not many.

I don't think these are demons to be honest. If this is a haunting at all it could just be two regular ol'ghosties.

lol, looks like Dev caught the Japanese thing at the last minute before I had time to write my last comment up and hit submit.

As a general rule I try not to comment on the veracity of various stories, just to offer advice if I am able in case it is true. I am not saying I believe or disbelieve this particular story.

I was curious from the beginning though how someone, much less a 15 year old, goes about translating Japanese glyphs on a white board into English. There is no mention that the author speaks Japanese.

I am disappointed that the local skeptic squad missed this point. You guys must be getting old. 😊

So I am curious, do you fluently speak and write in Japanese? Because if you do not, it would be VERY difficult for you to deciper what this spirit was saying considering there are three Japanese alphabets, encompassing a total of over 50, 000 symbols. The most complicated of them is kanji, which is derived from Chinese calligraphy. Kanji symbols can have multiple meanings as well, so unless you really know your Japanese, I find it fascinating that you could just google a foreign symbol. Which character set were these symbols from?

And I agree with Lou... I am curious as to why you would say "13:00" instead of 1300 and suggest it is military time... Military time is spoken as thirteen-hundred, not thirteen-o'clock.

Haha! Jav! I understand that. However, there doesn't seem to be much discussion coming from her. Looks like we are left to our own devices on this one.

[at] bacchaegrl,
I do believe the last sentence in this whole charade say6s it all though...
"If anyone would like to tell me more, I would be thrilled and love to have a discussion about it."
THRILLED?
Have a discussion about it?
This is not the behavior of any 15 year old girl I know, and I've raised three.

Jav

🤔

ok read the story, read it again then read the comments.

The story has more holes than a fishing net!
Nothing makes any sence, fixed glass statue on bed, chat with whatever told other one is evil, oh I know I won't run like I should I will take a shower!
HELLO HOLLYWOOD, NEXT B MOVIE SCRIPT ON THE WAY!
And by b movie I do mean bull shiate.
Please!

And then she "finally gets up the courage to call my friend to tell her about it." As opposed to bravely having a casual conversation with what she wants us to believe is a sex demon. I also don't get why she has to even bother mentioning that they're "just friends". That was unnecessary.

Jav 😕

Yeah Jav! That whole interaction doesn't make any sense! Does the marker fly up and move by itself? I don't really understand how these conversations are taking place. The more I read this story, the more confused I get.

[at] bacchaegrl,
Here's another puzzler for me too. Her mom calls her home to see something and sends her to her room. OK first, what's up with mom pushing, too scared to even come home before now, daughter into the room she's totally afraid to be in?
Once there, she finds the Gargoyle head all in one piece, has a back and forth conversation via dry erase board with said demon, and after saying she hadn't been home at all for all that time, she heads in to take a shower. Nothing frightening enough to send you dashing out of the room to find your parents. Nothing a 15 year old girl doesn't experience everyday, right?

Lou,
Regarding something you said way back, about the holes in this story. I read this story and I didn't know what to make of it. I'm glad you were the one who helped my put my thoughts into words. I was first of all really confused by the title of this story. I think evil is bad, I think most people would agree with that. After that, in the story, I really got lost. You looked at some good minor discrepancies, but I also was really confused about the main story. How can there be two incubi? How can one be good and one be bad? Yes, I've read the other comments, and some people think demons are good and bad. Maybe I have a different way of thinking, but I thought all incubi were the same, and different kinds of demons do different things. I thought the very nature of a demon was supposed to be bad. And how can an incubus really be called an incubus if it doesn't try to get it on with anyone? Wouldn't that just make it a demon? I think the story and the following discussion really confused me. People have their many beliefs, I'm okay with that. And I'm going off on a tangent. My point is, good catches, Lou. I didn't understand the gargoyle thing either. It seemed like the author just left the debris on the floor and then came back to see it intact. There was no mention of cleaning it up or throwing it away. This story is all over the place. Maybe the author can shed a little more light.

As one of the posters asked, What does your parents have to say about this? How long were you staying with your relatives?

Also, some suggestions:
- Surround yourself with positive energy.
- If you are religious, pray to your high power.
- Mediate and surround yourself with white light.

that's ok that you disagree. You are entitled to your opinion and most people won't agree with me because it goes against what they have been taught there whole lives. It makes me happy that you at least just read it so you know. That's all.

I am sorry, REDphx, I must respectfully disagree with your expalnations of demons and the after life. All of the research I have done does not support your documentation here; however; I do respect your ability to share your thoughts and the reasons behind your thoughts.

God Bless!

Lou,

You asked me a question I don't know the answer to. A demon is born just like a human soul is born. Where ever souls are made I guess. I don't know where that is. Or who gets to go where and why. The answer to that is beyond me. I only know the human souls reason to come into flesh and what the human souls purpose is. I know a little about fae and their world. You wouldn't believe what is out there.

I said that confusing. I mean a human during life can decide what they want to be. If we are nice we can go to the upper levels. If we are mean we go to the lower levels. Remember how I said there are 7 levels. There are different phases of them and I don't know how any human would be bad enough to go all the way down to be where the demons are. But even if a demon is good let's say he can't move up. Normally. There are exceptions to rules and I don't say anything can't happen. Sometimes a demon can sneak his way into a different place but he will be found.

Anyway a human can die and be bad and go to one of the lower vibrations. The afterlife is almost like this life. So the human goes over there and decides they can't live like that anymore and they want to improve. They are givin the opportunity to be born again and try again. This is how we get past lives. The goal of a soul is to advance themselves to a higher awareness. Jesus for example has already done that. He is already a high awareness and is light. That is the souls goal. Some people go on to become teachers in the next life, some guides, and some choose to keep on comging back to Earth over and over to teach people down here (that is what I do I guess)

I will try to help you understand as best I can. I normally don't talk about this stuff to such a large crowd because most people aren't ready for this information yet. There is a lot I have left out

Redphx,
So, how are demons born?...they are not earthly or human spirits. But then negative human spirits go to the lower vibration levels to... Live with demons?...but you said that when we die we aren't destined for heaven (upper) or hell (lower). Please continue.

Lou

Lou,

If you think of heaven and hell you know that heaven is up and hell is down. One is light and one is dark. When we die we aren't destined for one place or the other. Instead the afterlife is made up of vibrations, or energy levels. When we see an angel they feel very pleasant to be around. They were born of lighter vibrations. There are seven levels of vibrations. The lower levels are heavy, oppressive, negative energy. We labeled the feeling of this energy as evil. Demons are born into this type of energy. That is what they are made of. There world exists in the lower vibrations. They can't go up into the light. The light can come down though into their world.

So I won't get into the birth of a human. Briefly, the death of a human. When we die we are then transformed into energy. We are off to the other worlds. If we are mean and bad then we have a negative energy about us and we are drawn into the lower vibrations (hell) if we are good we go into the higher vibrations. The whole reason a human is born is so that they can learn. As human we are lucky in the fact that we can decide to change our energy and move up into the higher levels. Other beings aren't always so lucky.

Demons come here usually because their world is very unpleasant. Earth is a peaceful place for them. They are always fighting and killing and just bad things all the time. Most of them like it here and don't want to bother anyone. Sometimes though an asshat will find a way here and become a pest.

There is no cut line between heaven and hell.

My favorite quote:

Heaven is not what it is said to be. Hell is not what it is said to be. The saved are not forever happy and the damned are not forever lost.

You must trust your instincts. In my humble opinion, any 'thing' or anyone taking liberties and touching someone in an intimate fashion is NOT a good sign.

Try also to remember, just as all people can not be trusted neither can all paranormal entities. While I disagree with the asssumption or indication that demons can be nice or evil or bad, (demons are just as the name implies-evil) I do think that they can lie, manipulate and confuse individuals.

Please keep us posted and please do not let anything or anyone touch you in any way that you have not permitted or asked them to do so.

God Bless!

Redphx,
Please do. I don't understand "lower vibrations". You lost me a bit on the "they can be nice or mean, and have free will... But they can't change who they are" Do you mean they can't change what they are?
Also, why do they HAVE to come to this earthly realm?

Thank you,
Lou

Lou,

A demon is an entity that is born of the lower vibrations. We have labeled the feeling of these vibrations as "evil" A demon can't change who they are or what they feel like to others. But like any other being they have free will. They individually decide whether to be mean or nice. They can also be both depending on their mood. They are just like people. Emotions and all. Basically demons are judged by their species not themselves on an indivdual level. It is very biased of us. However, most demons are not up to too much good. Most don't want to be bothered by anyone and they want to stay hidden. THey are not of this Earth they have to travel here. Anyway the ones who are messing around with people are either mean or just like playing jokes. I could go on and on.

LS,
The devil is in the details, for me. Anyone who uses military time does not use a colon, 1300 not 13:00. Also, 1300 is 1 PM. You slept from 1PM to midnight (eleven hours)...and then went to bed?
Japanese spelling, but English speaking incubi...? OK.
So, did you save the broken pieces of the gargoyle statue... Or did you dispose of them and then they returned intact?

Redphx,
Could you please provide me with your definition of a demon?

Thanks,
Lou

not all incubi are bad. The one that I know has never attempted relations with anyone. He is pretty nice but he has a temper and is very abrasive when he talks. Not all demons are bad like I've been saying from the moment I came to this site. I recommend that you get rid of both of them. The feeling I get from your situation though is not a good one. I don't think he is actually being "nice" to you more like buttering you up. Once you trust him it will be easier for you to drop your guard and let him have a relationship with you. Just be careful.

Hello,

The good cop / bad cop routine was the first thing I thought of too when I read this. Don't trust anything that either of them says, demons of all kinds are really good liars.

Also, if someone (who previously lived in your VERY old house) dabbled in the occult, it is possible that spirits of any kind, including sex demons, could have a valid invitation of sorts they are using to hang around certain things or places (like a specific room or area of house).

It is my understanding that demons will readily avail themselves of even the smallest of invitations and work to parlay that into a larger, more robust invitation over time.

From what was described about the gargoyle statue, it may be a good idea to put that in some sort of sturdy container (I suggest a wood box if you have one) and store the container somewhere where it will be safe, out of the way and far away from you. Perhaps you could store the gargoyle in a box at your relatives' place in a basement pile of stuff, at least for a while?

A 15 year old is too young to be dealing with an issue like this alone. I suggest you tell your parents all about it, and by all means involve clergy as well.

If you would like to read some of what I understand about sex demons in general, I encourage you to click on my user name and read my YGS profile where I talk at length about sex demons.

Hopefully these spirits are bound to a physical object or place, and not to you personally. If you do not do anything to stop this now, it is possible that if you spend enough time around in proximity around them that they could transfer their attachment to you and that will be a lot harder to fix.

Hey there,

Interesting story, thank you for sharing it with us.
From what I know, or rather, have learned over the years via books, people and the interwebs, is that Incubus'/Demons in general, aren't house bound nor can be. It's darker human spirits/entities that can be house and object bound, and thus haunting them/the people that own them, or live there.

If they are Incubus', they're a very rare kind, as they don't tend to wait around before starting their business with humans.
Safety tips attained from research: Buying new furniture, changing beds and sleeping rooms, sleeping with a blue light bulb on (No idea why that was put forward), using Herbal shampoo and body wash when bathing, and burning Herbs/Herb candles - are all supposedly attributed to making Incubus' leave. I'm not saying they work, but it's worth a try, right?

Also, like I say to anyone else suffering from this kind of torment, do "NOT" avoid asking for professional help elsewhere. Your bet bet, religious or not, is a Priest or Priestess, and perhaps Paranormal Investigators (Not the kind that make you pay either). Keep us posted, we want to know how you're getting on.

- (For the record) -

You're only 15, so make sure a lot of adults know about the events happening in your life. And I think you're too young to be left alone while your Parents go off on their Honey Moon as well.

Take care~

Vincent

Oh wow, reading this gave me the chills. Are you still living in this house and what do your parents think of this whole situation? I most definitely wouldn't want to live in a house where my daughter or anyone was threatened in anyway. Before this I was clueless on what a incubus really was. By I have to admit, I held a laugh when you found out what it was.:)

Child molesters will often 'befriend' someone underage and do nice things for them- such doesn't make them any less evil. Ever hear of the Good Cop/Bad Cop routine?
Your situation sounds just like it:

Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_cop/bad_cop

Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorcism

An Incubus is a demon. Devoted to sex, but nonetheless still a demon. And as such, any kind of contact with a demon is dangerous.
Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus

I would recommend you research ways to dispell it. It has no good intentions to you and yours.