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I'm sorry, but I have been reading this for some time and I just CAN'T keep it in anymore. I think you (scbsd) are SO full of it. You sit in your basement in your mommy's house and dream up this girl you named Pure, because she is exactly that... PURE BS. I don't believe she tells you anything, I believe that you are a habitual liar. You make up these stories in a lame, desperate attempt to be a part of something bigger. Get outside, get a real girlfriend, get a clue and for all that is holy and painted red... Get a damn Dr to medicate and admit you ASAP!

It may have only been 4 requests, but it was way more than 3 comments...

Anyway, this thread is in danger of being closed down, once again...That's what I would consider "bothering" Martin...

The thing that bothers me the most is how you come on here as "Mod Almighty" (albeit on another site) and criticize the way this site is run, while posting comments that, according to you and your iron fist, would be grounds for banishment on your own site... If things are so awful here, there's a screen door over there with your name on it...Don't let it hit you 'where the sun don't shine' on your out...

With that said, I'd like to refresh your memory about one of OUR rules in the "Comments Guidelines":

"Posts are considered the opinion of the poster, and are not necessarily endorsed or approved by yourghoststories.com. When posting on yourghoststories.com, you grant perpetual non-exclusive rights to yourghoststories.com to republish, in any form, the posted material. Once posts are published, they cannot be deleted, unless you present a reason that we consider valid, as deleting a member's post would damage the integrity of our archive and reduce the value of this resource to members and visitors. **You are responsible for what you post on the web, so please don't ask others to undo your actions**

So, on 4 occassions, by your own admission, you've been granted more leeway than any other poster has...I'd say Martin has been very understanding and patient... Why push it?

Scbsd,

I like to think I'm an honest and fair person so I will give you a point (picks up a piece of chalk, marks a tick mark on the blackboard that happens to be handy and puts chalk down).

I have to admit you do usually say things such as...'in my opinion' or 'Pure has told me' I went back and checked the comments I could and your right (bows to Scbsd) you do indeed say those things.

Now I want to ask you this... Your opinion is based on personal experience and conversations with 'Pure', is that correct?

So people should listen to your advice, advice based on your experience from an imaginary entity, because no proof has been offered of their existence. At least not the 'type of entities' you 'think' they are.

This conversation has gone 'down hill'...not because of the normal argument that seems to happen when this type of entity is discussed... But because many of us here that feel they are 'evil' were willing to give a benefit of doubt so that true scientific data may be gathered and offered as proof that they exist... Not only that but that they may indeed have a mixture of 'good un's and bad un's' just like Human Beings. That didn't happen... Heck no every excuse was given... And some of them were pretty silly... Why this evidence shouldn't be gathered or presented... And now... And now you Scbsd, YES YOU SCBDS have walked it even further away from this point and have started a wine and cheese fest... Hell anything but offer real evidence to support your 'cause'.

I am left with what I know... Based on what 3 friends went through because of these 'THINGS'. Yes I admit they exist... After what those three individuals went through I have no choice but to admit that they exist. But those three experiences have also lead me to believe that they are anything but 'nice and benevolent' that they are in fact quite the opposite.

So either let's get back to the debate of 'good or evil' or 'scientific evidence or no scientific evidence' because all this other crap is just that crap...

Respectfully,

Rook

Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock, tick tock, DING!
Too late hun. You just lost all credibility of any claims made.
Better luck next time

Jav

Scbsd,
And just so you know, the longer it takes you to respond to these questions, the guiltier you become of having done just that.

Jav

Ooops! That was supposed to say "So bite me creep!"

Jav

505050505050505050 😆

Now Scbsd,
Lets see how truthful you really are. Were you at any time in the past an editor for this site? And if so, were you editing out your own comments at the time you outed yourself as being Matt?

Jav

~~As for the medical information you are trying to use against me. The party in question knows all about it, and approved it. So bit me creep!

Martin, I don't wish to bother you, but you have my permission to disclose the number of deletion requests that you have gotten from me, as well as the number of actual deletions you performed.

For what it's worth for the rest of you, I just went and checked my email account, and there have been three requests that comments be deleted at the time that I was jugging two IDs, and one request that one of Javelina's be deleted when she left a third party's confidential medical information in a post on my one story.

Martin kindly granted me the requests on all four.

[at] Scbsd,
Oh yes. You have had a great majority of your comments deleted. Just from the story that you outed yourself as Matt, you had several deleted as soon as they were spoken. By the way, several of us had been doing copy/paste jobs on your comments throughout that thread, so those posts really are not gone forever, as I'm sure you believed them to be. And we all know it does no good to ask Martin for assistance in confirming anything you claim, as he will only give out information you have approved of ahead of time. He has privacy concerns to deal with and we know you have taken advantage of those concerns in the past. You are not as clever as may think you are in that respect. For one thing, any time you offer up something you say will prove your claim to be true, we know you have made previous arrangements to have those facts, and only those, released.
At this point it is no longer a question of how stupid you think we are. It is a question of how many times are you going to try and use Martin as your proof before he finally gets sick of it too. There will come a point Matt, when even you will have worn him thin on patience.

Good luck with that.

Jav

zzsgranny--"looking at your previous comments won't do a damn bit of good since on several occasions you've had a great majority of certain threads deleted."

That is incorrect, Granny. I might be off by one or maybe even two, but by my count I have only had three comments deleted, by request to Martin.

I am pretty sure he has the records, or will remember if not. The idea that I have had a bunch of comments deleted is incorrect.

Scbsd: I'm sorry, but looking at your previous comments won't do a damn bit of good since on several occassions you've had a great majority of certain threads deleted...

I haven't been on the demon forum in years, but when I was there, it was not as Scbsd describes. Don't know what else to say about that.

Calm yourself, Rook. You are barking up an empty tree.

If you look at the comments that I have left on YGS, you will find that when I am discussing Succubi/Incubi, that I *always* preface my sentences with "In my opinion" or "I believe" or "I think", or in some cases I will reference Pure, as in "Pure has told m" (in which case the reader should know that this is not an established fact).

This is to indicate that while I may believe the statement I am making to be true, I am also aware of the fact that it may not, and so I am making a declaration of belief, rather than presenting a bona fide fact and I word my sentences appropriately

I am very careful about this.

I am a real stickler about people doing this on the forum. It's rule #1. Hoochler could not seem go come to grips wih the idea that even if his information comes from an actual Archangel, it is still not a generally accepted fact, and so he ran afoul of Rule #1 so many times that he got banned.

As for the the idea that there is no discussion allowed on the forum, pro or con, regarding God and the existence of God and what God might think etcetera, that is patently false. There are several Christian members on the forum, quite a few more believers in the general idea of the Abrahamic God, and no small numbers of agnostics so the discussions can be heavily focused on the subject of God at times. At the present there are two very active threads where several aspects of God are being vigorously discussed. With no interference from me or any of the other admins.

As long as the members don't violate Rule #1, they are pretty much free to say anything and discuss anything that they want,

Scbsd,

Really, REALLY? You say Hooch was 'banned' from your forum becasue he presented his 'ideas' as fact. So what is it you do when you post your comments here. You BOLDLY STATE that you KNOW these entities are a 'race' and like any 'race' they have 'good or bad' individuals. You BOLDLY STATE this as "bona fide fact" (to borrow your words) and yet when asked for proof you offer nothing but excuses as to why you shouldn't have to provide said proof. In my book that goes a long way of invalidating your BOLD STATEMENTS concerning these Entities.

So for you to 'call out' Hooch here on this site for violations on your site when you are guilty of the same thing here on YGS absolutely smacks of hypocrisy.

So, get off your high horse, it's not all about you, it never has been. If you do not want to help the 'cause' of proving there is indeed a SPIRIT REALM fine, don't help, that's your choice and I can respect that. But trying to pick fights and offering petty excuses... This attitude reminds me of those 3 people I have mentioned previously and I worry for you.

Respectfully,

Rook

[at] Kryodrache,
I don't mean to be a mensch here, however, if you had bothered to read the previous comments, which is recommended in the guidelines before you post a comment, you would have noticed where it was mentioned that the author had chosen the option "I will not be reading the comments". It was because of this that we chose this account to have this discussion in the first place. You have been here long enough to know where these discussions lead. This is nothing new to anyone here. The fact that some of this gets pretty raw in places is just part of the reason we had begun with a purpose in mind of seeking assistance from the succubus/incubus community into gathering evidence of proof of the existence of these beings. This would hopefully put to rest some of the fighting and help to further the science of the paranormal. This was not to be a place to have it out between myself and and old friend from my hometown. However, that is exactly what ended up occurring, as usual. Myself, I am sick of the bickering. But that doesn't mean I'll sit back and be insulted by the creep. It may be painful for you to read this, and for that I apologize. And I don't expect you to to understand. I have simply lost patience with him, as usual.
No one is trampling over anyone's private thread here, the guy isn't interested in reading what anyone has to offer concerning his situation. He simply wrote his account of his experience and left.

Jav

Well. This sure escalated quickly. I'm sorry for this, Pablo, it's not TOO common an occurance, but I have seen people launch into debates a lot on this site.

I wish I had some advice to give on your story, but to be honest, dem erotic entities... I don't know what to think of them!

Hoochler,
You're cracking me up! Every time I think I want to say something, you've already said it. Sycophants? When I first read his post I started laughing so hard I could barely breathe! This from a guy who his so power hungry he cannot stand to be questioned at all. On anything! He never answers a question without trying to first change the subject away from what it is. He won't "help" anyone who doesn't have a good story to bring home to the "Jerky Boys". And if his progress here is blocked for any reason, it's always someone else's fault. This is so typical of him it isn't even funny anymore. So he won't let anyone speak about faith in God over there, huh? That doesn't surprise me. He should be in fear of the Almighty after the things he's been up to.
You don't get to where he sits on that crusty little throne of his over there without making across the sticky floors first.
Scbsd,
That's right! That's exactly what I said and just how I feel! What you have chosen for your life's work is only reached by going down a very dark and seedy path. You want to blame the lack of respect you receive here on me? Go ahead, I'll take that reputation with no argument at all. Let's just call that pay back you little creep. Even though you bring all this upon yourself, I'll take take that little burden off your back. Feel better? Don't. Because if you think for one minute that I will give in to you and your scrawny butt, you have been thinking too much. All your little aliases, and all your little friends can't move me. I'm here to stay. So bite me! You want to keep this crap up forever? Be my guest. I just get better at while you continue to lag behind. Same old crap as always. And I'll tell you one thing Matt, I don't care how many times you want to deny knowing me, because you do. And there's one thing about me that you hate and always have. When I'm right, I don't give in. I haven't changed in that respect, and I never will. Keep it up pal, I've got lot's more fight in me and I'll kick your butt every time. Try me.

Jav

Scbsd,

You can pretend that your forum is not oppressive if that makes you feel better. No tears shed here, I was only trying to enlighten others on my way out the door there. Any place where the existence of demons (sex spirits) is a given, irrefutable ground rule yet the very mention that God also exists causes reach for the admin wand is not a place I was going to stay anyway. Besides, that was years ago.

I was just surprised to see you use the word sycophant because that seems to be more your style, that's all.

Scdsd wrote:
"I'm not done here, I am just done commenting except within a very narrow margin."

"They're all yours, Javelina. Help them all you want with whatever untried "remedies" you and your sycophants come up with.

I wash my hands of the mess you've turned this place into."

Oh, I get it, you are not even going to pretend to bother trying to help people get rid of these things anymore, only continue to recruit "like minded" people from YGS for your demon forum. Oh, and make it look like it's someone else's fault.

Pretty slick.

Hoochler--"Is this an oblique retirement (from YGS) announcement?

Combined with Sergeant's last comment on this thread, such a conclusion seems even more probable."

Keep it in your pants, Dude. I'm not done here, I am just done commenting except within a very narrow margin.

Hoochler--"As a side note, I find it ironic that Scbsd would even mention the word sycophant while at the same time ruling his "demon forum" (admittedly my name for it, not his) with an admin rod of iron and booting those who do not sycophantically side with him"

No, let's get real here. You were kicked off the forum because you couldn't comply with the very simple, but very important rule #1, which is the very basic requirement that you do not present your ideas or beliefs (or the ideas and beliefs of others) as fact.

You kept presenting your ideas as though they were bona fide fact, and it was for that that you were banned.

The Forum is actually conducted in a very democratic fashion, and although we are pretty strict about Rule #1 (it has allowed us to be a source of facts regarding these Beings, rather than a collection of dogma and superstition, as other sites have proven to be), we have managed to maintain a relatively genial atmosphere, devoid of the bickering and flame wars that have come to represent YGS for the past few years.

Too bad you couldn't follow a few simple rules, Hooch.

Being a member of the Forum is not all about being on the same page as me.

I don't invite people from YGS who want to get rid of their Demons, but not everyone on the forum gets there through here, and so we do always have at least one or two members that don't like the contact and are looking to get it to stop.

And from what I have seen, the members of the Forum put more effort and caring into helping these people than anyone her on YGS does anymore, by a long shot.

I do have to add... I looked forward to Scbsd's posts years ago, and respected his stance on this subject...
Until he outted himself as having multiple ID's, by forgetting which Id he was logged under before posting. When that happened, I lost a lot of faith in whether these beings actually existed, much less this pure he would often post about. I've found that if a person is not 100% genuine in a forum such as this, I cannot take serious anything they're on about.

Scsb said "I know people who still struggle with the reality of it, despite years of evidence to the contrary"
What evidence is this you speak of? I have been comming here often for a couple of years now, and my biggest complaint concerning this topic is the total lack of posted evidence. Anyone who claims they have evp's or photo/video refuse to post it, or vanish from the site when asked to show it. I understand that evidence of paranormal activity can be very elusive... But if one actually has an ongoing "relationship" with such a being, why hasn't something slipped through the cracks- as far as some kind of documentation to show.

Hoochler: LOL! That "threat" has been made before, don't get too excited! 😆...I think the "sycophant" remark falls under the "pot/kettle syndrome" category 😆

Scbsd,

I am hurt that you would even suggest that the back and forths you and I have shared over time had anything to do with a third person and not the merits of whatever was being discussed.

The last two paragraphs in your last post make me curious though. What exactly are you saying here?

Scbsd wrote:
"They're all yours, Javelina. Help them all you want with whatever untried "remedies" you and your sycophants come up with.

I wash my hands of the mess you've turned this place into."

Is this an oblique retirement (from YGS) announcement?

Combined with Sergeant's last comment on this thread, such a conclusion seems even more probable.

Sergeant wrote:
"This is no longer an environment to share personal accounts and offer opinions without belligerent altercations. Unless an opinion accede's the clique."

As a side note, I find it ironic that Scbsd would even mention the word sycophant while at the same time ruling his "demon forum" (admittedly my name for it, not his) with an admin rod of iron and booting those who do not sycophantically side with him and that Sergeant complains about cliques while at the same time belonging to the up until now quite vocal pro demon YGS clique himself.

But I digress...

What I would like to ask is are you guys saying something bigger here (like you are leaving YGS), or just venting?

Scbsd,

You're just upset because you have been outed. If you didn't make the fuss you do, no one would notice your actions at all. But sadly, you are determined to make it all someone else's fault. As usual.
Whatever dude!
I'm an open book, my faults are right out in front where anyone can grab hold of them and shake away. Hell! I'm in the book! I don't make a big deal out of hiding my identity, and you should consider yourself lucky that I don't reveal you. It's been a year pal, and still I have stayed away from doing it.
You still don't get it, do you?
Too bad, this could have been a lot more fun if you weren't so determined to suffer.

Later,
Jav

~PS~ You have attributed far too much to little ole me. Get a grip man, I don't have any say in what goes on here. All I have is what everyone has, an opinion. And last I heard, all are welcome here.

Whoo Hoo! I'm a sycophant...

Scbsd,

"I wash my hands of the mess you've turned this place into."

That's a pretty big charge to lay in Jav's lap. Are you really implying that she single handedly turns every 'debate' into a flame war against you? REALLY? Do you really have that much EGO... Are you really trying to 'draw' sympathy by making it seem like it's all her fault that these things turn into 'flame wars'.

It's comments like you just made that turn these things around and drive them off topic...

Even now, with this comment it's walking away from where it stood...

Many of us here had 'set aside' our 'argument' of these spirits being 'nasty, evil creatures' and had, for the sake of debate, asked the question... If these type of spirits are 'good, loving and caring' entities then can you ask them to help you gather scientific proof that they exist.

This request was met by arguments such as...

"If we prove they exist Humanity will destroy them."

Ummm...point of order... Actual scientific proof that 'Spirits/Entities' exist would change many a persons view and could be 'offered' not as proof that 'Sex Entities' exist, but that Non-corporeal beings do in fact exist. That there is indeed a 'spirit' world. That those of us who have these experiences are not 'crazy' but sensitive to something others may not be.

But not a single individual who is involved in a 'positive relationship' would offer to 'help' this cause. They all seemed afraid that it would make their 'special friend' mad.

So, stop trying to play the sympathy card...Jav, is Jav...she's always 'called them as she saw them' and offered apologies if she was proved wrong.

Please try and stay on topic...it's not all about you... Never has been...It's about 'proof' of the Spirit World... Once that is fairly and truly established then we can 'debate' the semantics of weather they are 'good' or evil'. At least that is how I was trying to approach this debate.

Respectfully,

Rook

Javelina you are intentionally printing falsehoods here in order to try to discredit me.

You say--" That and the mystery of what does or does not occur once those folks, who are seriously concerned with removing these entities from their lives, are invited to the join his web site."

I do NOT invite anyone who wants to get rid of a Succubus/Incubus to join the forum. That's the point. It's a place for people who LIKE the contact to be able to discuss what happens without a bunch of people condemning them for it, and without all of the fighting that happens here at YGS.

If someone shows up at YGS and wants to get rid of a Sex Being, I have in the past offered what little I know that can work on occasion, but I don't invite them to join the forum. I figure that I can tell them everything I know about getting rid of one of these Beings right here.|

Lately though, I don't even do that anymore, because anything I say gets drowned out in the howl of the mob and the OP winds up being left with a big flame war in the comments section of their story.

They're all yours, Javelina. Help them all you want with whatever untried "remedies" you and your sycophants come up with.

I wash my hands of the mess you've turned this place into.

Sergeant,
I assume your response is in favor of Scbsd practices on this site. That is the only thing these last few comments were concerned with. That and the mystery of what does or does not occur once those folks, who are seriously concerned with removing these entities from their lives, are invited to the join his web site. They are never seen again at YGS, but they are not altogether welcomed at the other either. As a matter of fact, they are considered to be a "very disruptive element in an otherwise friendly environment" at the other site. Why is that? When they were being talked to over here they were treated with kidd gloves. Yet, once out of sight from YGS, it's quite a different looking scenario. My heart goes out to those who are naively taken in by someone who touts his expertise and seems ready to fight for that person, until they are out of earshot from the membership here.
Cry me a freaking river! You stick up for someone like that? Why? What is it that you find so horrible about this being discussed openly, AND HONESTLY? Because all the moaning and wailing about it being the fault of the membership here has been worn thin. Complain all you like, it only goes to put you in stead with the rest of the 'Jerky Boys'.
You don't frighten me Sergeant. None of you do. So go ahead and wail away. Have fun!

Jav

Just when you think it can't get worse here at YGS... It does.

This is no longer an environment to share personal accounts and offer opinions without belligerent altercations. Unless an opinion accede's the clique.

Peace.

Well, we could get a pool going on that. How about the length of his response to these comments? How long do you think it will be?
Oh yeah, and the commercial advertising he'll throw in as well. You know, where he gets all his numbers out and tells us who he's got working the boards. Then he'll go on about how many women are involved to make it seem more legitimate somehow. Like that matters! I'm sorry, but it's going to take much more than that to walk it back this time.

Jav

I've got fifty bucks that says within three months this thread and the other one you quoted him from will be deleted at his request... The only thing he hates worse than us outing him is when he inadvertently does it to himself.

Lou

This is the part of the quote that says it all...

" people who don't like the contact have proven to be a very disruptive element in an otherwise friendly environment"

Disruptive element? That's how he refers to those in need of help? For crissakes! You have to be pretty cold hearted for that to be how you see those who are suffering from something they don't understand and are too embarrassed to go anywhere else for help. He is pushing the sufferers away as soon as they are out of our earshot.
What happens to them after that? They don't come back here, where do they go? How bad is it?
Anyone who wants to stick up for this jerk after this is just as bad in my book.

Jav

You know, I figured I was done commenting on this subject for a while. However, because of the last comment Scbsd left on another thread, I do have something else I want to say in this matter. First I'll put up the quote I'll be referencing:

"[at] Visited, yeah, I don't encourage anyone who doesn't want a Succubus/Incubus to join the forum. Partly because of the fact that people who don't like the contact have proven to be a very disruptive element in an otherwise friendly environment, but mostly because the forum is pretty focused on these Beings, and according to everything I have seen regarding these Beings, the only way to get rid of them is to diligently ignore them and everything about them."

So, this from our resident 'expert', is all he's have ever cared about? I recall some pretty loud screamfests in the past where he was all about having his hand and heart out to all those who come here with this problem. How difficult it can be for anyone having to deal with this. But what it really comes down to is membership, and keeping those with the urge to discuss these things in graphic detail all in one place. Good lord, could it be any more plain and simple than that? In that one comment I quoted above, we see exactly what it's all been about. He doesn't care about 'helping' those who need help ridding themselves of this problem, he merely wants those who are willing to share there experiences out loud, in detail, so he and the other members can do what? Yeah, that's it exactly.
You know, it's people like this that make the possibility of these entities existing at all, a ridiculous notion. And that really does piss me off. Because there are people who really do need the help. And what does he offer them? 'Just ignore it, maybe it will go away if you don't think about it.'
What a fraud! It IS all about talking dirty in the dark! It IS one big circle jerk! And that's ALL it is!
There are so many expletives streaming from me right now that even I am surprised! We've always known it was this way, always. But that last comment was the one that shows him in the perfect light of day. He comes here merely to fish for new stories to tell his membership in waiting. Got to keep them happy or they might bail, right?
I am so sick of this creep, and I don't care who knows it.

Jav 😠

I support what granny is saying and I too feel we need to be real careful when offering advise to those seeking knowledge and looking for help on the subject, especially to the young and vulnerable mind... Telling them that prayers and other means of rejecting the advances will not work for example IMO is a defeatist attitude and a negative approach, my advise to the author pablo and I speak with 30 years of experience on the subject is this... What I believe you are experiencing is basically sleep paralysis of a sexual nature, it's exactly the same as sleep paralysis the medical condition, except take away the described horror of being choked or squashed and replace it with the molestation of mind and body that the sufferer experiences during their episodes and IMO, 90 percent of the stories here at YGS including yours pablo are basically all part of the complexities of our sub conscious and it's realities brought to bear...

How does it work you may ask? I will use this analogy: If you ever go watch an hypnotise perform where he invites the audience up onto the stage and with sub conscious suggestions he turns them all into his clowns for a period of time where the rest of the audience all get a good laugh from it?... Whilst the subjects on stage would swear on the bible what they saw and felt was real? This is what sleep paralysis of a sexual nature is...it's unintentional self hypnosis and this is the real power of the mind and it's inner abilities causing the countless number of demon and sexual assaults many pages of it here reported... The reason those subjects are chosen and usually he sits down about 30 or 40 people who can't be entranced is because they are the easiest to be hypnotised and deceived... Just like some people suffer from Sleep paralysis more than others... It all has to do with a little gland in the back of our brain called the pineal gland of which moves our mind in and out of these elusive uncharted transitional zones,, some people can easily put themselves into these transitional state of mind where all sorts of things can occur including the paranormal...that's right the paranormal and this is where it becomes a basket case of opinions where 1 experience that may be brushed of as imagination can be real and the other where some may advise to be real is all a part of our imagination?.

The imagination IMO can play out on a spiritual level and is a part of our spiritual consciousness that we will use in the next realm, it's like how some ghost are trapped here and in haunting mode, because they are self hypnotized so severely they don't know they are dead... We are spirits living with human experiences not humans living with spiritual experiences and I suspect the other 10 percent of folk who testify to these beings as being real are meeting and sometimes induced with them on a spiritual level where the account is intensified and seductive as mentioned by some... I think these people should also be considerate enough to take aboard what I am saying and not preach to the other 90 as their knowledge being gospel... Of coarse I take aboard what I am saying may apply to me but I'll let the folk here be the judge of that,I'll finish this by saying... This is my belief and best understanding of these accounts, some are real most are not... Are they evil? If they are playing with the minds and feelings of the young then yes that is wrong and selfish, if there seeking out lonely old men well... To them they may mean something else and good luck to those folk... I mean no offence to anyone else just thought I would inject my thoughts on the subject, agree it is a frustrating one to get a grip on.

Regards aussie.

Jav, Hooch,

Thank you for your kind words.

Now on to 'other things':

One thing I find interesting here is the fact that many people seem to agree that 'mankind' can destroy a spirit... This seems to be the 'main argument' as to why some individuals do not want to share 'proof of their existence' as somewhere with-in that proof may lie the means of their destruction.

I stand by what I stated in an earlier comment...

"While I do not think a 'Spirit/Entity' can be killed they can be banished from making contact with the physical world..."

We as Physical Beings can not 'destroy' a Spiritual Being... We can find ways to Banish them... In such a way as to prevent them ever contacting their 'Physical Victim' again or in extreme cases Banish them from the Physical Plane forever... This does not 'kill' them... For that is beyond our 'strength' to do... Or at least it's beyond the spiritual strength our physical bodies can channel...

I agree that if an individual believes in ghosts...it's not to much of a leap to believe in 'Sex Entities' (demons) This leap can be made WITHOUT ever having to experience one for 'themselves'. I use the word 'entities' because while they are a 'spirit' they are not, nor have they ever had a physical body. So in my 'book' a Ghost is a spirit who has had a physical body and an Entity is a spirit who has NEVER had a physical body (hope that makes sense).

Respectfully,

Rook

Scbsd: Well, I believed in ghosts long before anyone contacted me, physically or psychically, sooooo...

~You: "And yes, part of the reason I am not providing any "proof" of her existence is because she doesn't want that sort of information put forth in this sort of an environment"
~This is one of the places people come seeking advice for what is ailing them. However you want to interpret your impression of this environment, you have shown to be loathe to leave it. Add that to the dismal reports we have been given by the few that have stopped by here on their way out and you are not looking any better now. If it is such a bad place, why are you still here? And trust me when I say that there aren't many who would believe it was out of compassion for those who you feel will be met at the door with all sorts of bad advice.
By removing these folks from the discussion, it is you that is hampering the education of the membership as a whole. You have only to blame yourself if others are kept from the learning and understanding that comes out of sharing and trust. Don't blame others for something you have caused.

That wasn't what we were were asking to begin with. I think anyone who believes in life after death and the existence of ghosts/spirits would almost have to believe these beings were a part of the whole deal. You can't have one and not the other. Not after centuries of it being said that they do exist.
However, before the topic was turned around we were merely concerned with the gathering of evidence. But after the meager response and the flat out refusal to offer anything constructive to the endeavor, I now think it has turned to Gathering of Evidence VERSUS Hoarding of Evidence. Simply because they refuse to help or even be bothered to reply, does not mean they should be given a pass here. No one expects them to provide anything in the way of evidence. They are simply allowed to scoop up those that come here for help and whisk them away. What the hell happens to those poor souls after that? I have yet to hear anyone come back from there praising them for the work they did to assist them in removing the entity from their life. I have, however heard complaints from several posters who went there for help and received none. They were not allowed to bring up certain subjects that were annoying to the site administrator. So while I do acknowledge the possibility that these beings are real, I can never in good conscience recommend anyone go there to find help or comfort from what they are dealing with. In fact, I would be more prone to advise against it now, though I never have.

Jav

zzsgranny--"does it really have to take experiencing contact with succubi/incubi to make one believe, and if so why?"

Well...yeah. Why would you believe in the existence of these Beings if you'd never felt their contact?

Scbsd: I don't want you or anyone on the site to think I don't believe in their existance... As I've mentioned, I've never had an experience with one so I'm really nobody to call anyone psychotic because they believe...However, I can not believe they are as common as some think they are; even as common as represented on this site... And I'm sure you have doubts about some of the posters on your forum... I can tell you that I do indeed believe many have psychological difficulties that once they are understood and the proper therapy/treatment is administered, their succubus/incubus disappears... This doesn't mean the person having experiences is psycho or they really did have the experiences, only that there may be some underlying psychological trauma that manifests into what they perceive to be a sex spirit...

But one question continues to nag at me, and that is: does it really have to take experiencing contact with succubi/incubi to make one believe, and if so why?...The only answer I can come up with is lack of evidence...BUT, again, the same could be said for any spirit/ghost/entity, so we're back to square one 😆 😆

Here's what is interesting about the question. It comes from the kind of thinking the questioner is all about. The chance to have that decision to make at all is not something anyone here even wants. Not something that we would feel comfortable with if it were tossed in our laps. Yet, the person asking the question has thought about it. Why? Is it the power they covet? Because that kind of power is absolute. And we know that absolute power corrupts absolutely, right? Yet offered up to any of us, it is turned away from. I wonder how those in the "graphic descriptions rock" club would answer that question? Would their paranoia consume them with the thought that someone could actually be given the power? Or would they fight each other to the death in order to gain ownership of it? He who holds the power controls all.
Sound familiar?

Jav

~My guess? They'd fight.

So it seems that we have two choices in this matter (if the existence of these creatures are accepted as a given)?

1.) That as Scbsd suggests, these beings are subject to genocide at the hands of humans if we learn much about them.
2.) That these beings have no good in mind for mankind as a whole and that they have a hidden agenda which they do not want exposed because this would hinder their ability to acquire and keep human victims.

I personally am going with option 2. I do not think there ever will be agreement on this matter between these two opposing sides while we still live though.

To answer Scbsd's question on what would I do with the ability to wipe out all sex demons, I am not a big fan of genocide in general. I don't even mass kill bugs in my lawn because God allows them to be there, who am I to wipe them all out?

However, if I were helping a person who wanted relief from one of these creatures, if push came to shove and the being did not heed warnings to leave on its own, I would use such information as a tool to destroy an individual spiritual being if it were being troublesome, stubborn and stupid.

Rook's sad story is yet another negative testimony about these creatures. From what I have seen, the negative testimonies with these beings far outweigh the positive ones in sheer numbers, and even the "positive" testimonies make me want to take a shower.

Rook,
I'm sorry this has brought back such a painful memory for you. And that this had to be the discussion to do so. I have no doubt this was was not something you planned to ever have to share here, especially in the current company. Please know that it is with heavy heart that I post this here, I feel that since you opened yourself to us with this, it should be acknowledged appropriately.
You are a good man Rookdygin. No one can take that away from you. The assistance you provide on this site is unmatched and unwavering in it's application. You are admired and adored by people from across the globe for your willingness to give of yourself and in the manner you offer that assistance.
You just stick to your guns Rook, and we'll be standing right there beside you when you do.

Thank you for being the friend you are to me.

Respectfully,
Jav ❤

So... When offered the opportunity to lend some credibility to the science, it was turned
down in favor of more rhetoric? Interesting to note that it is so far a unanimous decision.

Jav

zzsgranny, there was a long period that I went through where I was sure, by wavering degrees, that Pure was a figment of my imagination. This is actually one of the most common aspects of having a Sex Being, according to everyone I have had contact with who has had this happen to them, in that it's just so far-fetched it can't be happening etc etc.

It takes a long time to be 100% sure, and I know people who still struggle with the idea that it's all in their head, despite years of evidence to the contrary.

I am fully convinced that she is real, however, because in the time that she's been with me, Pure has done several things that have proven to me that she is not an "inner demon" or something I made up, or even some sort of psychosis complete with tactile hallucinations.

I won't list everything here, but mostly what she did was tell me things I couldn't possibly know, like where a missing item was in my house (and no, I couldn't have known even on a subconscious level, it was so far from where I would have even thought it to be), solved several mysteries in my home, predicted four separate future events (unfortunately she won't give me winning lottery numbers) and spoken phrases to me in a foreign language that were in perfect context when I looked them up.

She has also been the source of a particular kind of paranormal auditory event that seems to be peculiar to Sex Beings that others around me have heard. Even if all of the above could be explained by some part of my mind splitting off and playing tricks on the rest of me, it's very unlikely that that would then extend to creating noises that others could hear.

I did shoot some video during a session one time, looking for proof of her existence (like I said, we all go through this), and when I played it back, I could her a very distinct female voice whisper "I love you". I hadn't heard it with my ears when it happened, but it was very clear when I payed it back (and I have a massive distrust of what people think they hear on most EVPs). As soon as I heard it I got all excited, but then I heard Pure in my mind tell me " (my real name), please don't do this."

I don't do everything she wants, but that was personal and there was tangible emotion that I could feel in her request, and so I deleted it.

Yes, I know, *how convenient*, but I am not interested in proving to anyone that she exists, and in fact it is better for her kind I think that most people think that they are a fantasy.

Scbsd,

My only interest in combatting or extinguishing the effects of a sex spirit would be to aid someone else or, if need be, rid myself of one. Am I interested in their annihilation to rid mankind of their existence? Although I find it hard to fathom that anyone could possess such a power...no, I would not use it to commit spiritual genocide.

The devil would not exist if God did not let him. Man was granted freewill and those compelled by addiction are free to wallow at their own expense. In my youth I spent plenty of time abusing myself with various forms of temptation... Often beyond the extent of those who became addicts. Regardless of the "disease" monniker granted and accepted by many, addiction to drugs, alcohol, self-mutilation, sex, etc; are nothing more than choices made through weakness. Breaking their binds with or without the grace of God includes pain, and those unwilling to endure it usually find a justification to embrace their chains.

Lou

Maybe it's a female ghost that didn't get any love from her husband that's why she probably killed her self. She just wants someone she can reviel herself to or she wants to be loved and cared for I don't think shes trying to scare you but maybe if you don't let her do what she wants to do with you she might get pissed off and try and hurt you so I think you should let her do whatever she's doing 😭

Scbsd: Thank you for your reply, and I'll answer your question...Yes...But that's not the kind of information anyone here is asking for... I think the problem with those who enjoy this lifestyle have with providing evidence all boils down to the possibility of their non-existance...That these same people may have to face inner demons, and the thought scares them...

Lou--"Have you ever summoned or banished any of these Beings other than Pure?"

I have never summoned nor banished any of the Beings, including Pure. She came to me on her own. I know quite a few people who have successfully summoned a Sex Spirit. I don't know anyone who has successfully gotten rid of one by any means--including the banishing techniques that come along with the summoning techniques--other than diligently ignoring them, and even that only seems to work about 50% of the time.

Lou--"It seems like someone who is receptive to these beings would be vulnerable to others of their kind... Regardless of her presence."

Pure is the only one of her type whose presence I have ever felt, and since becoming attached with her, I have not felt the presence of any other types of Spirit Beings.

Lou--"If you have not, then I contend that there is little you could contribute with regards to the annihilation of their species. I presume they can be vulnerable to someone who knows how to make a spirit leave, just like most spirits. But as with other spirits, that would be on an individual basis, not a mass expulsion."

That is your conjecture, which you are free to make. As for someone who is good at making one type of Spirit leave also having equal finesse in making Sex Spirits leave, I have yet to see any evidence that would give credence to this idea. I have seen enough people struggle unsuccessfully to get rid of a Sex Spirit, despite the best efforts of Medium, Shaman, Pastor and Priest to be convinced otherwise. It is my opinion that a Sex Spirit is one of, if not the most difficult Spirits to banish. They are notoriously hard to get rid of.

Lou--"Have you discussed any of this with Pure, or are you disregarding the request for proof of her existence, as expected?"

When it comes to anything that has to do with the relations between her kind and mine, yes I do consult with Pure. And yes, part of the reason I am not providing any "proof" of her existence is because she doesn't want that sort of information put forth in this sort of an environment.

Now that I have answered your questions, perhaps you could answer mine? I asked it in my comment below.

Scbsd,

Have you ever summoned or banished any of these beings other than Pure? It seems like someone who is receptive to these beings would be vulnerable to others of their kind... Regardless of her presence.

If you have not, then I contend that there is little you could contribute with regards to the annihilation of their species. I presume they can be vulnerable to someone who knows how to make a spirit leave, just like most spirits. But as with other spirits, that would be on an individual basis, not a mass expulsion.

Have you discussed any of this with Pure, or are you disregarding the request for proof of her existence, as expected?

Lou

Scbsd,

Well stated... You have made some very interesting points concerning why you choose not to divulge any information you may have concerning these beings. Which is fine... Hold it close.

However you have stated this as well...

"It would be nice, imo, if people had moved past the superstition and fear generated by the Church that has led people to look at Pure and her kind as enemies of Man..."

I have this to say to that comment...

My opinion of this 'species', as you have referred to them, was developed while I was a practicing witch...that's right a WITCH and was in no way influenced by 'The Church'...I knew 3 people who had 'relationships' with these 'beings' and each came to a 'not so happy' ending... While you may say that's only three people... Not a very large 'test base'. You have to consider I tried to give these 'entities' the benefit of the doubt... But after all was said and done my opinion of them is that they are 'Evil', Selfish, Beings who want nothing more than to isolate their 'host' from the physical word and draw energy from their relationship until the physical partner can no longer provide the energy level the 'entity' requires and they leave them. It's then that the individual realizes they are isolated and do not interact with the 'physical world' very well... In the last 'case' I dealt with this lead one of my friends to suicide... So excuse me if I feel they are EVIL and that I freely admit that if I had the information you speak of I would fight them as the 'evil entities' that I fell they are.

While I do not think a 'Spirit/Entity' can be killed they can be banished from making contact with the physical world... And that is something I would strive to do. That should answer your other question. I did not say anything before as I felt it would have ignited a 'flame war'...

Respectfully,

Rook

zzsgranny, sorry for the delayed reply. Your question got buried fairly quickly and I didn't see it until I was on my way out last night.

You ask--"I don't know where or how that question even came to your mind given the direction of this thread... Are you saying that by providing scientific evidence of these beings, it may destroy them all?."

That question ("What would you do if you had information that could destroy all Incubi/Succubi?) came about because although I believe these Beings to be all but immortal, I do think that they are vulnerable to harm if not death at the hands of Humans.

I believe that their extreme secretiveness is a result of previous clashes with Humans since the Church decided that they are immoral enemies of God, after which they suffered harm at the hands of Man.

I do know that with the right words, a Being such as Pure, or a Being *like* Pure (maybe a different species) can be controlled/summoned/enslaved by Humans, so the idea that they might also have a vulnerability to attack and harm from Humans doesn't seem that far-fetched to me.

I am not saying that gathering *any* information about these Beings might destroy them; what I am saying is that I don't know if some of what I know about them might contain the very information that would lead to someone being able to harm or destroy Pure and her kind. And in that light I am not willing to divulge any of what I have learned bout her and her kind to people who would almost certainly use it against her if they could.

The general view towards Incubi and Succubi is pretty hostile in the general public, and the membership of YGS represents that same trend pretty closely.

It would be nice, imo, if people had moved past the superstition and fear generated by the Church that has led people to look at Pure and her kind as enemies of Man and Almighty God, but I think that if anything, the danger to her and her kind from Human Beings is as great now if not greater than it was back in the middle ages.

Which is why I asked the question that I asked (funny how not one person answered it) in regards to what anyone here would do if they discovered that they had obtained information that would enable them to harm or destroy an Incubus or Succubus or even all of them.

I'm not willing risk anything that I know about Pure's kind falling into the hands of someone who would do them harm.

And once again, I would like to ask (and this is to everyone participating in this thread), in all honesty and sincerity, If you came across information that you knew could destroy all Incubi/Succubi, what would you do with it?

Wait! Listen! If you are quiet enough you can hear the subtle murmuring and tooth gnashing. Brace yourselves for the mysterious one-time-posters, troll invasion... Everyone grab their knee high boots and their monkey cage rain slickers, stat!

Lou

granny,
HA! Excellent point! My guess is he didn't see much action over on his stories. Like I said, nobody has really ever cozied up to him. It's just that way sometimes I guess. But the entire site?

Jav

Right, Lou 😊...Its like Jave mentioned earlier, once you've experienced a "touch" of any kind, all you want to do is find out the "who/what/why"...That journey should be included in the account if for no other reason than to lend credibility to the claim... I realize that some don't understand what/who they're dealing with, if at all, and they need help figuring out if their experiences are legitimate... In my opinion, the only way to do that would be by attempting to gather evidence to support the experience and sharing that information...That's the way it is with any other entity/spirit, and I have a hard time believing that these entities/spirits are any more "special" than your average-every-day-run-of-the-mill ghostie... These are the same posters who are told repeatedly that if they don't like the advances then you MUST ignore them, or if you do enjoy it, embrace them... There seems to be no happy medium... And the only "proof" asked for is the graphic details... The only thing graphic details do is draw in the sickos who have no other way to reach gratification...

But I find it more than interesting that Locrian decided to bow out of the subject on someone else's (?) thread and that action leaves me wondering why he didn't do it on one of his own 2 stories?

My two cents.

We have folks from all different countries and cultures who participate on this site. Many of their encounters are categorized by their spiritual and culturally influenced belief system... And that is fine. What strikes me as odd with those experiencing the sexual entities, is that few, if any, can communicate on this forum for any length of time without it going from a personal account to rhetoric. The policy for appropriateness is clear and although the boundaries have been stretched on occasion, most posters are able to convey their story effectively. So why the need for the alternative site (s). Fine, you don't like us and want to go elsewhere... That is ok... For anyone. But if these stories aren't about generating self gratification from the stories themselves, then why the need to bail, when most here only want to help?
I truly feel there are some who encounter these beings and are victimized by them... I also feel that there are spirits that are very sexual, the same way there are people who are very sexual. But if you cannot describe an experience, even a sexual act, within the guidelines of today's level of acceptance, you aren't trying very hard. Which is the reason why I feel those who set up places where graphic details can be embraced, set them up solely for that purpose. They want others to share in their fantasies as a means of validation for what they consider acceptable and fuel their obsession with new and exciting encounters. So a person with a legitimate problem they want help dealing with ends up exploited by those they entrusted with their most intimate details.

Lou

Is it fear? Is that what holds them back? Guilt? Or are they just addicted to it? Perhaps all three, huh?
I don't think there is a problem with it being possible, gathering evidence I mean. I just have a hard time believing that one. Of all the occurrences of spiritual contact we are reading about every day here, the people that claim to have the largest amount, and the most frequent visits, are in this category. There has to be an opportunity to gather evidence of some sort with that much contact.

Jav

Pjod: Just one recording, or even a snippet would have gone a long way to lend credibility to their claim...

Yes Jav, it's all very strange to me. We hear Evp's of hauntings- photo and video evidence at times...
But never any of the above from the "sex spirit" camp.
I'm not insinuating the experience is not real, as such reports go back years and years... Perhaps these beings cannot be recorded in any form, which seems to be the case. For someone to come on board here and claim to have multipe evp's -then refuse to post them, is a huge let down.

Yes, Pjod, it was Locrian. I figured him for a phoney when he first showed up. Their little tiffs back and forth were obviously staged. I guess he was supposed to come in and act like he was sick of the garbage at the 'talk dirty all you want here site' and some of us were supposed to cozy up to him and try to pump him for information about the supposed "enemy camp". I don't believe there were too many here that felt like cozying up to him though. Funny how that happens huh? He just didn't seem like he was a true convert, did he? I mean he was still keeping up his relationship with his own 'companion'. That says to me he wasn't about to quit, and he certainly didn't want to talk about exorcism as a viable solution.
See, that's another thing I don't understand. Shouldn't these entities be privy to all that goes on around here? Seems to me they could slip in and out of anyone's life or home if they needed to find out what was up. Why all the worry? All the subterfuge? It makes no sense.
Weird, huh?

Jav

wasn't it Locrian who claimed to have multiple EVP's, but wouldn't post it? That would have gone a long way, if only to have some evidence towards this type of activity. Like Jav said, there have been a lot of "bedroom" claims of such activity, but nothing more.
good luck Locrian.

Locrian - my best to you and I hope you find the peace you are looking for 😊

Locrian,
Sorry to hear that. But I would be a liar if I said I was surprised. It seems when it comes down to trying to get some real honest to goodness evidence on this phenomenon, every one that has ever claimed a personal experience with this has suddenly become mute. Save for Hoochler who, by the way, has been at this longer than any of us. Seems like when it comes down to getting prove of existence, everyone bails. I'm not saying you don't have a right to, but you are the one who came here ready to tell all, and now even that is a wash.
Oh well, live and learn.

Jav

oops typo... I will leave this situation in God's hands. For I have faith he will bring an end to this situation. These beings/demons have no power over him.
If anything they prove that God exist and there is no more getting around that. Ok last post.

This is my last post with YGS; as I am going to leave this situation and God's hands and have faith that he will bless me with deliverence. Also I am a Composer and this experience has been a distraction and has kept me from creating music. Which I have also decided to end all personal investigations. I want to thank everyone for there kind words and helpful comments. To those of you who are fighting these beings/demons; keep fighting for victory is just around the corner.

I also liked Hoochlers "Astral Plane" idea- it does match the "parallel dimension" theory.

I also think Hoochler has hit on some pretty interesting points, things you simply have to stop and look into more, you know?
Take for instance the entities coming from the Astral plane. I think there is something very interesting about that. It goes along with your idea as well. And I'm wondering if that can be the source myself. I know that quantum physicists are tossing around the parallel universe theory as being related to the string theory. And that makes sense when put together with all the other ideas, at least to me anyway.

Jav

😁

I brought it up, only because the idea that these "spirits" come "from the depths of hell" -or that they are spirits at all seems too simplistic.
If a more advanced species of creature found a way to interact with us, unnoticed- we would easily assume "spirit" -when the truth may be much more complicated. Of course these are all theory's, and no one can claim to know for sure.

Pjod,
I get what you are trying to say here. But I have to say, this last couple of weeks has seen more of us bringing up aliens and UFOs. And I can't recall that subject ever coming up as often has it has lately. It always makes me want to stop and think about why that is, you know? All of a sudden it keeps popping up? It's not something we normally cover here, yet I'm one of the people that brought it up on another story!

Jav 😕

I also believe there to be no relation between UFO phenom and suc/incu.
Looking at it from a "scientific" angle... Perhaps these "spirits" come from another dimension- using technology to move into our own and physically interact with us. I only use the UFO phenom as an example- as the "nuts and bolts" theory seems to simplistic, regarding the behavior of these objects. If these objects are able to move in and out of our "reality" -on a physical level, perhaps these "spirits" are doing the same, making them seem like spirit activity, when in reality- some carbon based creature has the technology to move in and out of our dimension... Just another theory to consider.

I believe that these sex spirits have something that at least partially anchors them to their "home" plane of existence. I am not clear on details, but I suspect that they have been given something that we would recognize to be an alien or demonic looking body, and it is that shell to which their souls are bound to. I think they are able to astrally project at least part of their spirit out of these bodies and send that spirit to a human when a doorway of opportunity opens. I suspect it is spirit shards of this kind that are causing all the interactions we have been discussing.

I believe these body / shells reside in a plane that is very unpleasant all the time. According to my theory, since lust demons are not as evil as many other demons, their home plane of existence sucks, but not as horribly as what we would consider hell. That still leaves a lot of room for unpleasantness though.

As for UFOs, I suspect the reason these craft act as they do is because whatever race created them has mastered quantum mechanics and the craft that are being seen are behaving under principles that normally apply to atoms and sub atomic particles.

Obviously these are all just theories, but theories that match up with all the data I have seen about both subjects, and I do believe it is two different subjects (i.e. I don't think the sex spirits and the alien craft are directly related to each other).

I have one theory...
UFO investigators have been stumped for years by the phenomenon- the "ghost like" activity of these objects, with the ability to appear and vanish- reappear instantly at a great distance. John Keel is one to flirt with the multiverse theory vs universe... Where multiple dimensions exist and share the same space, unaware. Where technology has allowed some beings to move in and out of their own space. Could these beings (succu/incubi) exist as carbon based creatures in one dimension- able to manifest into our own space and interact with us? It would certainly explain the reason so many reports have them as not very forth coming -as far as origin.

I realize I am getting to this late, but I agree. An actual debate on the subject based on evidence would be a beneficial change of pace.
Talk to any legitimate investigator and ask them what their most powerful personal experience has been and I bet 9 out of 10 will include physical touch. To have an entity manifest itself in a physical form or manipulate us in some way makes believers out of the staunchest skeptics. Invasion of one's personal space is palpable. Although physical touch is still a personal experience that cannot be documented as evidence, just supporting information, it still provides us with information about the paranormal. These experiences in this category, at least for those who are participating in a "relationship" also include a pretty elaborate mental communication between them and their entity. A supposed trust and limits are established as in most relationships and they learn to enjoy the situation with little fear and apprehension.
If these beings are indeed caring and agreeable, why wouldn't they allow themselves to be documented? If they are all about making you happy, why wouldn't they allow you the peace that would be involved in validation? Regardless of the pointless pontificating of some, at our basest level, we all want credibility. If you were in a relationship with a human who denied it from you, would you continue the relationship? Regardless of the supposed epiphanial sexual experience, don't those of you who feel they cannot bring their mate into the light, feel cheated in some way.
If you are indeed experiencing a paranormal investigator's holy grail of personal experiences, then why are you cheating yourselves of credibility by preserving this secretive stance? Because let's face it, if you felt talking about it would be marked as betrayal or would somehow extinguish your experience; we wouldn't know anything about you, would we?
These beings exist to those of you who have these experiences, often in situations that are non-sexual, as well. Break out the recorders and cameras and capture the evidence needed to bring these beings to light and give them the credibility they deserve.

Lou

Hoochler: I wanted to tell you your post was very informative and I believe should be applied to the research of any kind of spirit, as I'm sure you think so too 😊...I've never had an experience with these beings so I really don't know a lot about them... I don't know much about any kind of spirit, for that matter 😆 but who does?...None of us will know until the day we die...

Scbsd: I don't know where or how that question even came to your mind given the direction of this thread... Are you saying that by providing scientific evidence of these beings, it may destroy them all?...I'm sorry, but that seems to be what you're saying... And I find that notion ridiculous to say the least...Look, you don't have to prove anything to me or anyone... I don't feel the need to provide proof of my beliefs so I don't expect it from anyone else... I just feel that while so many of us are out here searching for answers, this subject should be included with the spectres, apparitions, shadow people, black-eyed children, black shucks, dopplegangers, poltergeists, mists and orbs etc... I know you feel that way too, because the mention of removing this topic from the site brought a rather irate response from you and others... So what's the big deal?

Wow, I only watched the end of it, but that was the truth. It's an amazing feeling how God interacts with us all. That's why we say 'Forgive us of our sins' in the Lord's prayer. It really helps people as a whole, because it could have said 'Forgive me of my sins', but that would be selfish and not loving towards everybody. After all, the greatest second commandant, is to love everybody as you love yourself.

I got a little off track, but very interesting experience...

JS aka Brandon

Hoochler,
Thank you for the openness of your responses. It has meant a lot to me personally. And my response to your reply is:
I was afraid of that.

Jav

Hello Jav,

It is my understanding that blood relations probably make the connection stronger, but it is the guardianship status of the "parent" that is the key.

So yes, a step parent (or adoptive parent) could also pass a curse onto a child in their care. The younger the child is when they come to the step parent, I believe the more authority the step parent has over the child.

If people want an example of God answering a prayer, here is one that happened to me just last night, and it happens to be in a form I can share and it will not lose any meaning.

I do not enjoy these fights on YGS, I only post on YGS because God wants me to, so I am obedient to Him and I do as He leads. After praying about my responses and involvement on YGS and feeling that my words seem to go into a black hole, God sent me this last night.

I was watching the video on the site below called "Is America Abandoning God?".

Http://www.rzim.org/

The video is 30 minutes, 32 seconds long. The whole video was interesting, but in my mind had NOTHING to do with my dealings with YGS. Then, right at 29:07 into the video, God CLEARLY brought my attention to the video and He said to me "Pay attention to this, it applies DIRECTLY to you". It was like time slowed down and I was given a tunnel vision of sorts and could only see the video that I instantly became totally engulfed in. This experience was most definitely supernatural.

I was also made to feel emotion while I watched that was not part of the original video. I felt God's love for me and it was overwhelming. I started to weep with joy as I watched, and as I recall the experience now, I am weeping again. God was talking right at me in this video.

The "Media in which we are" living with in this case (for me), is YGS.

Hoochler,
What if the person has no children by blood? Would it apply to stepchildren as well? In your opinion, I mean?

Jav

Hello Jav,

Yes, that is it exactly.

Another way of saying "generational curse" would be to say "The sins of the father are visited on the son". This also applies with mothers to daughters, mothers to sons and fathers to daughters as well.

Particularly strong curses (demonic invitation) can also be for 3 or more generations.

Hoochler,
Thank you for doing this. It will take me a bit to understand the scientific method, but I am going to try anyway.
I understand what you are saying concerning the person of authority and the underling. That sounds to me to be "The sins of the father" and therefore they are "visited on the son", correct?

Jav

I have been asked to share information about sex demons that I may have. I have no EVPs, pictures or other "hard" evidence to share with anyone. I can, however, provide the framework that I am using to try and learn more about them if that would be useful.

First I would suggest that anyone who is curious about what I think about these spirits to read my YGS profile by clicking my name above if they have not already done so. There is a lot of info there.

There has been talk on this thread of using the scientific process to study these beings, but from what I have seen, error was introduced in a particular experiment that was being held up as an example of a reason to quit trying to understand the spirit world. If the scientific process is to be used effectively, it must be allowed to lead the user to new conclusions that they had not previously considered. That is, in effect, the whole point of science.

Here is an example (not attacking here, just trying to illustrate the point). It was mentioned in this thread that a visual manifestation of a spirit being seen by one person and not another was grounds to just give up trying to research these beings. Instead, I suggest the underlying assumption that photons are the exclusive means by which humans can see spirits be examined instead (or that spirits can possibly somehow control who sees what of their photons). I personally think that spirits can be seen with eyes (photons) or directly by our astral spirits that are bound within our physical bodies. Once the underlying hypothesis is tweaked, then go about experimenting and trying to break the new hypothesis. If the new hypothesis breaks, tweak it again in light of the new information, rinse and repeat until it stops breaking.

A mathematical process that might be helpful to illustrate this point is something called "Curve Fitting". Curve Fitting is something I often imagine as going on in my head as I try to better understand these beings. The more reliable data points that are used, the more precise the resulting curve (or function) will be.

Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curve_fitting

If one imagines that there exists an unknown function which perfectly explains these sex spirits, the closer one can create a "working" theory that matches up with the perfect theory on all available data points, the closer the working theory will become to the perfect theory and thus will the working theory become more and more accurate over time if one chooses valid data points to alter the working theory up with. Sorry if that is confusing to read, the concept is really quite simple.

Another example of thinking about in a different way is like espionage. Various small tidbits of information can be collected that are worthless by themselves, but when they are centrally amassed and analyzed, each tidbit of information (if it is deemed likely to be accurate) can be a dot in a much larger picture that is slowly formed into a mosaic. The more reliable data points you have to work with, the more detailed and thus useful, the resulting picture will be. The point of concerted "OPSEC" efforts is to defend against this practice, espionage to engage in this process. I like using this way of thinking because it shows two opposing sides fighting a war using information, which is EXACTLY what is happening whether someone wants to believe that or not.

One other essential aspect of the scientific process to consider is the Heisenberg uncertainty theory.

Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle

I will paraphrase the aspect of this theory here for clarity and brevity (brevity is something I seem to have troubles with, sorry all but this is a complex subject). The more you study something, the more you will understand it. If we are creating a function from data points or painting a mosaic of dots, the bigger the range of allowed data points or larger the canvas used for the picture, the more complete the end result will be.

The more I studied these sex beings, the more I began to suspect that they were demons. Thus, I expanded my scope of study beyond just looking at these sex spirits, but also started looking at demons in general.

In both the models of Curve Fitting and OPSEC, it is important to throw out data that you don't trust. Knowing what to keep and what to throw introduces a bit of art to this otherwise purely scientific process.

As a result of using these processes, the working theory that I have now predicts that demons are on a continuum that dictates their nature. The entire continuum of demons is evil, but some demons in this continuum are "more evil" than others. All demons work for Satan and take orders from him. Where the demons fall on this demonic continuum will dictate what they specialize in (lust, greed, hate, whatever) and how they interact with those people that they are "assigned" to by Satan.

Satan has the legal right to assign demons to people if they engage in unrepentant sin. Also, I believe that if someone in authority over someone else invites a demon to be with them (deliberately or simply through sin), then the person under that person in authority can become susceptible to that same demon through no fault of their own. This is called a generational curse because usually the person in authority is a parent or guardian.

The more egregious or often the unrepentant sin, the more of a path is worn between the human and assigned demon, and thus the demon accumulates more and more permission to interact more strongly with the human they have been assigned to.

It was asked on this thread by Jav "What is it that draws these entities to certain people?".

The answer to that is that I believe that sex demons are really lust demons. Thus, unrepentant and / or ongoing acts, thoughts or words involving lust opens the door for one of these demons to be assigned to a person. The more fervent or frequent the lustful thoughts, words and actions of the human, the faster and wider the door swings open. I believe a certain amount of God's Grace is always there closing all doors any of us (even non believers) may have opened, but if our ongoing behavior has consequences that are greater than this small but persistent amount of Grace than the door keeps opening. The model I have also predicts that once an open door reaches a critical level, a spiritual hysteresis of sorts clicks in and the threshold for the demon to leave is suddenly pushed far further back (they are much harder to get rid of) while at the same time the demon seems to instantly gain much greater ability to interact with the human they have been assigned to. Kind of like a critical mass of sorts.

Also, if someone in authority over someone else (i.e. A parent) had a lust demon attached to them, the authority of the parent over the child can open a doorway of opportunity for a lust demon to go the child.

This gradual door opening can take years or decades to unfold. Aside from a generational curse, not being in control of one's thought life is really the root cause of demonic visitation upon people because words, thoughts and actions either are already, or start with, thought.

Also, regular prayer for spiritual wisdom and enlightenment works wonders to understand spiritual things. I started praying for spiritual wisdom (and receiving answers) before I even read about in the Bible, but here is an example of what the Bible says about it.

Prayer for Spiritual Wisdom (Ephesians 1, NKJV)
15 Therefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, 16 do not cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers: 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, 18 the eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that you may know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, 19 and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power 20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.

22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

If someone would like another example of praying for wisdom in the Bible, look at the wisdom Solomon got when he asked God for wisdom.

Most people are not interested in truth. Most people are really only interested in hearing things that affirm the choices they are making or want to make. Such people will not embrace setting aside their precious pre-conceived notions in favor of truth.

If someone wants to discuss the subject of demons further with me, please e-mail me. My address is in my profile. This subject is not really a good thing to discuss in an ongoing fashion on YGS.

I only posted all this because of Jav's request and in case anyone else truly wants to use some real science methods to begin their study to better understand the spirit world.

I should mention this one last thing. God has shown to me that He has provided the means for all of us to discover the truth about Him, the spirit world and a lot of life's questions for ourselves, but whatever it is that we learn or are shown cannot easily (or in some cases at all) be shared with others in a way that impacts them as it has us.

Some truths can only be understood if they are sought and granted by God directly, and that is by His Design.

Scbsd,
There you go again. Doing the same old thing you always do. Changing the subject in order to give yourself something to complain about. Sorry pal, not this time. The subject stays as is. Evidence of existence of all spirits is all we're about.

Jav

There seems to be a gradual shift among the frequent posters here on YGS, from openly denouncing these Beings as evil to at least pretending to be engaged in an objective search as to whether they even exist or not.

These frequent posters are now asking for us who are engaged in a relationship with one of these Sex Spirits to come forth with the sort of information that we may have about them, in order to help the Paranormal Community decide empirically, in a scientific manner, whether or not these Beings even exist, much the same way that other paranormal phenomenon is "researched" here on YGS.

I have one question for you who seek this information, and it is this...

If you were given information that would or even *might* serve to destroy every Succubi and/or Incubi forever, what would you do with it?

Honest answers, please.

[at] Javelina
The Main reason of my gathering evp's and video has not been so much of trying to gather evidence of the existance of these beings; Rather to figure out what has been going on with myself and in my own home ever since this all began. I have tried to encourage others on another forum to do so themselves; only to be rebuked by the forum owner/moderaters stating that it would not be scientific proof. Which is absurd; in order to have scientific proof there needs to be an experiment and in order to experiment the right equipment must be used. I truly think they are just afraid of what they might find (hear and see) and that would bring a quick end to their kinky fantasy.
As for exorcism's I realy can not say for I am not Catholic.

Hoochler,
Since you have been at this for such a long time, and have put in more of an effort than anyone else here, I would like to know if there is anything else you have found that would be of interest to the rest of us. What is it that draws these entities to certain people? Any ideas?

Jav

Locrian,
Aren't you the one that's been trying to get evidence of these entities?
I'm also wondering where you come down on the issue of exorcisms?

Thank you,
Jav

Just wanted to say that I agree with Jesus_Soldier and Hoochler and I am glad there are those here who shed light on such a dark matter. It is my hope and prayer for everyone who truly is seeking deliverence from these beings/demons are blessed and that those beings are thrown out of their homes with two strong arch-angles on either side doing the throwing. I said it before and I will say it again; these beings/demons are spiritual rapist and they have no place interfering in the lives of humans.

Hm, I've thought about that. I knew that they hid a lot of information from the public, and I also see the patterns every time a story is published. Oh, and i'm curious about the long term relationships as well. What is their agenda, to make them choose a person 'forever'.

Luke 12:3 - What you have said in the dark will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in the ear in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the roofs.

They can fool us and hold back key pieces, but God (Our Creator) hears every word. I know it will be hard to research, without those key pieces, but I will continue to look.

Hoochler,
Thank you for coming forward with that. I suspected as much. There are patterns to what they advise and what they say about the entities. I know this. It's one thing I am very good at, picking up on patterns. And these guys are nothing if not repeaters. For one, the adamant warning against exorcisms and banishing is high on the list. There are also the warnings to newbies that if they choose not to engage they need to be 'gentle' about how they do it. The constant denials that they are not taking anything from them as far as energy or 'life force' are concerned. I've heard them referred to as protectors. Against what? And most, with the exception of Sergeant, who in the same breath puts down religion as well, are adamantly opposed to religion or faith at any cost. To the point of actively searching out Christians here to bash. It always starts out the same way too.
"If you call yourself a Christian then you MUST follow the literal text of what was written in the Bible to live your life"
Insisting that anyone that holds to a faith MUST believe that even the parables are historic certainties.
When I see that happen I am tempted to believe they are actually serving out a penance for some misdeed they were caught in. It's like a kid having to write on the blackboard "I will not talk in class" a hundred times.
The behavior and the responses are very predictable. They all follow a pattern as well. I don't need to be told this by any of them, it's far too obvious for them to hide anyway.

Jav

Gathering evidence and amassing knowledge on these beings, or the lack of ability and / or desire to do so, is what originally got me suspicious of these creatures. Just to clarify, I am only concerned about the spirits that want long term sex relationships with humans, not the once or twice visit spirits. It is my belief that the short term spirits are likely harmless.

The long term spirits seem to be a lot like fight club, the first rule of fight club is to not talk about fight club. In other words, I have heard enough from people dealing with these creature to see a pattern of the spirits making it crystal clear that they do not want to talk about their nature, past or ecology with the human. The spirits tend to obfuscate their nature by side tracking serious conversation about themselves using sex, humor and even threats of becoming displeased with the human.

There are people on YGS who defend these spirits who know more than they are saying. That is one of the big reasons I am so adamant in my posts, these people know more than they are sharing and they only seem to share what they deem is good. I don't suspect this, I know it because they told me privately. They may not know a whole lot about the spirits themselves, but they sure know about how these spirits have affected their marriages, and this is never talked about (that I have seen) aside from warning people what may happen to them, not what has already happened. These creatures insist on secrecy, and that inevitably means the holding back of information from a spouse and the introduction of lies to a marriage. Neither of these things are wholesome or of the light.

These things were said to me in private (and not by all the regular sex demon defenders), and I will not publish what was said. My whole point with this post is that I don't think anyone will get very far in researching these things because the only ones who can gather first hand information are tainted, they are already holding back key pieces of what little information they already do know. If they are not faithful in little, they will not be faithful in much.

Thank you JS. That is the kind of support I have been looking for. We've at least got to give it a chance. There has to be something other than personal testimony to get to what we all search for. It's the Holy Grail of paranormal investigation. Evidence. Nothing is ever concrete in this field. But with more people putting an honest effort in the advancement of the science, sooner or later someone is going to find a way to capture the proof irrefutably. It will be a new detection device, or perhaps an advance in photography, something is going to be discovered or invented that opens up this field to new eyes.
Saying that the mystery is such because it has always been that way doesn't impress me one bit. Every week there are new developments in technology that just blow my mind. You can't tell me that something won't be found that will blow all of this out of the dark corners. Not at the speed things are going now. It's simply a matter of time.

Jav

I see what your saying Jav. This may take a lot of research, because this topic is very different from other paranormal activity. I think you have a good ideal. It will help both sides think together for a change.

JS aka Brandon

Okay, I know there are very strong feelings on both sides of this discussion. This goes without saying, especially here. But the question of their nature always brings us into debates that never end. I, for one, am sick of that being the thing that holds us all back from finding some common ground here. It's too easy to come over and lay down a slam. All that ever seems to bring about is an ever larger rift. It would be nice if, for once, we could find a way to get to a place where we advance the credibility of the science of the paranormal.
Am I pissing in the wind here, or what? Does no one else see any logic here?

Jav

Out of all the spirits, these incubus/succubus really do seem slicker than baby oil. I can't think of any other spirit that keeps people guessing. I highly doubt they will ever expose their true nature. If they did, their stock would drop. The fact that their nature is 'hush hush', should put any person on edge. Let's say you have a daughter or sister dating a boy, and she said he is the most respectful, sweet, and loyal man she ever knew, BUT she says it's one problem, he doesn't talk about his background. I think that dad/brother will try his best to find out or keep her away.

That's why certain people (my self included) warn others about the dangers. I don't even have to push my religious beliefs, just to explain how wrong or dangerous this relationship is.

I just wish one of these snakes would speak up for once.

JS aka Brandon

Jav,

That's what I get for paying attention to what's going on with an experience... 😲

Sarg,

Your most recent comment puts us back at 'square one'. I am a person who believes these entities exist... So I need no proof. I am also sure I know their true nature... Just as you claim to... Thus we are back at the beginning of a 'He said... She said... Argument and that gets us no where.

So my question to you is... If they are 'harmless' then why all the secrecy? If proof of there existence and nature would give them 'more acceptance' then why the wish to remain 'hidden'?

Hoochler hit on a very valid point... What of your 'physical relationship' does your physical partner know of your 'spiritual lover' and if not why keep 'them' a secret?

Daylight and Honesty go hand in hand just as Darkness and Dishonesty are 'best friends'.

Respectfully,

Rook

Sergeant,
I'm sorry. I realize these are personal relationships. However, as with all those who have been visited or touched by spiritual entities, every interaction is personal. Simply because yours happens to be of a sexual nature, doesn't mean it cannot be investigated. Each of you that has come here and stood your ground in support of these entities should be willing to at least give it an honest effort. Hiding behind the sexual aspect does more to impede progress in this field, as it lends more to skepticism than it does to quell the naysayers. It's hard enough working on this side as it is. Patent refusals from your side will essentially close the book on any credibility. It hurts us as well, you know.

Jav

Rook,
I disagree about moving the conversation to another thread. The author has chosen the option regarding comments to his story as:

"I won't be reading the comments"

This, and the fact that others that come here looking for help, go directly to this category for their research, makes it beneficial to all. I suggest we keep it where it can be easily referenced. This is the best free space we have in this category, and the conversation can flow from where it began.

Jav

Hi Jav.

Thank you for the thoughtful and non-combative reply.

I appreciate your quest for evidence. I was once in the same place as you and others. I believe a lot of evidence already exists on various ghost discussion forums, especially this one. Mainly personal accounts. People make audio and video recordings and post on places like youTube. I believe most are hoaxes but some are valid.

I don't strive to produce any evidence for several reasons.

* Firstmost, The things I say will be very familiar to those who are or have experienced them. It is mainly to benefit the experienced, such as Pablo the OP.

* Second, the paranormal experiences I have are of an extremely personal nature. I also have a 2nd party to consider.

* Thirdmost, the net is already saturated by various evidence of both hoaxes and actual accounts. Anything I might add would be pointless other than sensationalism. I know what is happening and don't need validation. It has been self validating.

I am a natural logical problem solver. I have came to many hypothesis about the things I've experienced and every time I think I'm on to an answer something happens to dispell the idea.

One example is their ability to be seen and move physical objects. It is logical that they must first become partly physical before achieving this. Otherwise their "hands" (or what ever it is they use to move physical objects) would continue to just pass through without interaction.

They would need to manipulate photons for our eyes to see them. I was logically sure about the assumption.

Yet my spiritual mate appeared quite unexpectedly one evening on my break at work. I heard the chair creak as if weight had been applied and looked up to expect a co-worker. It was her sitting in the chair not 3 feet away and translucient.

Logic would dictate that anyone else should be able to see her. But a co-worker walked through and we both glanced a "hello" and he didn't see her.
Another scientific hypothesis proven wrong. I've given up hope of applying any logic at all to this topic. I believe we don't (anyone) has the knowledge today to understand the how's and why's to the science of them.
Some people will claim to know exactly how they work- mainly through fabulous religious explanations or mystic gobbledygook. I find them to be the least credible.

Sorry to sound so pessimistic to the science of this.

There are multiple reasons that cause me to believe that sex demons do indeed exist. Personally though, I would not put much stock in what the Malleus Maleficarum says, but that's just me.

It is also alarming to me that people are going off to a demon forum from here, never to be heard from again. That is a trend I would love to see stop.

Sergeant, you say that your sex spirit is not evil. Since you bring up your situation, why don't you share with the class your whole story. Tell us all of the things that the sex creature with you said to you about your wife and the demands it made upon you and your relationship with your wife. These things are the very definition of evil and are a better cautionary tale than I could ever tell myself.

As for getting rid of the demon, no demon will leave if it still has a legal invitation. If you do not truly wish for it to leave, that is a form of invitation. At any point, have you ever truly wanted 100% for the entity with you to leave and never come back? If not, all the prayer in the world won't help because prayer is meant to augment our free will, not trump it.

Jav,

Well put. Well put indeed.

I think you've 'hit' on a very valid point... The two groups here can argue back and forth until we are blue in the face about the 'good or evil' nature of these 'beings' and it is all for naught unless we can offer proof of their existence to the world as a whole.

I know this can be done WITHOUT any 'HARDCORE' details. The same methods that 'normal ghost hunters' use can be applied to obtain evidence... No graphic pictures...EVP's (question and answer not 'bed room moans) EMF readings when 'they' enter a room to be with you. If anything becasue there is a 'relationship' it stands to reason that any evidence you seek would be easier to capture as I hope your 'Partner' would be willing to aid you in your endeavor.

So...take some time, ask your 'partner' to help you prove that (these) 'spirits/entities' exist and in the process 'lift' the stigma that has been attached to them over the centuries.

If they do not wish to aid you... Then maybe there is something to what those of us have been saying concerning their 'True Nature'.

JUST SAYING...

Now to ensure this does not 'derail' any aid the O/P here may receive please let's take this over to one of my experiences...

Http://www.yourghoststories.com/real-ghost-story.php?story=5020

Remember, any evidence presented needs to be rated PG13 by the LNTP (Late Night Troll Patrol) rating system.

Respectfully,

Rook