Comments for Sexual Ghost: Page 2

[at] Seargent,
All this information and text reference does nothing toward showing any sort of clinical data for or against these entities. And yes, I realize you were not addressing my post. However, there is something we hold in high regard on this site, and that is evidence. You can go through these experiences and find that the efforts are there. People are trying to capture that evidence. They're working hard, putting in their time and resources. Many are risking their personal reputations in this endeavor. Yet they soldier on. What has been done in your community to advance the science? This is something we would love to hear about here. But all we get from this category are their first 'at bat' stories. They are then whisked off to other sites that deal with discussing the phenomenon in more graphic detail, and that is, sadly in most cases, the last we hear of them at all.
I refuse to let anyone drag me into an argument about the existence of these beings. And just to be perfectly clear on that, I have no problem with their existence, or those that have chosen their companionship. I do however find it puzzling that those in your community don't do more to help advance the science. It seems like all we ever get to hear from this category are page long missives on how they aren't evil and that they exist because you say so. It does not matter to the rest of us how long the relationships have lasted with these entities. We are more interested in what we can do toward bringing in actual proof. Something you can get behind. And saying it cannot be done without the graphic details of the sexual experience is just a cop out. A convenient excuse to keep anyone from having to put up an honest effort. That part of the experience matters more to the recipient than it does to the community as a whole. Because in all honesty, the majority of these little back and forth debates seem to be more about the 'good or evil' aspect of these entities and not their actual existence. All these flame wars produce is a bigger rift between us. There has to be a meeting of the minds at some point, don't you think? Work with us on the gathering of evidence. At least try. Because as it stands now, no matter the flowery speeches and the ancient references, the picture I get from your side that most represents yourselves, is more akin to the stranger in the dark windowless van trolling the backstreets for new blood, than a community willing to expose themselves to the bright light of scrutiny in order to advance the science.

Jav

Here's my two cents worth.

There is little to no real, tangible or credible information available about intimate spirits from any authoritative text. The earliest religious document I've found referencing them is the Malleus Maleficarum from 1486ad http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/mm

It's probably the first story of how these beings seduce men, steal their semen and often drain their life. According to Malleus, the semen is used in human women to produce hybrid human-demon offspring.

That sounds pretty fantastic. If you take the whole Malleus document in account with everything else it says then it is easy to conclude that it's merely a collection of fantasy stories created to justify the eradification of witchcraft- by murder if necessary.

This is a short list of some other Malleus "facts":
*Earth is the center of the universe. Everything revolves around Earth.
*Women are inferior and weaker than man.
*Unrepentant witches should be killed.
*Satan directs star positions, and the stars influence mankind to do evil.
*The demon-hybrid offspring produced by the Succubus/Incubis should be treated as a demonic child.

Nephilim in the Bible which are said to be the offspring of "The sons of men", a result of Angel and human interaction. The Nephilim were reported to be giants. I do not know if the story is false or true. I have never came across a single person experiencing spiritual intimacy which have produced a pregnancy. Not to mention birthing a giant. Therefore it is quite apparent the Nephilim account does not apply to those of us with spiritual mates or suitors.

Third and last, there's djinn. I am not very familiar with Islam, but the atonomous nature I understand them to be does not fit with the experiences I've had, however some others with intimate spirits report similarities and believe a connection.

That is all the "official" information I've found about the subject. I've came across an uncountable number of people professing with tenacious conviction of the Malleus account. I can't blame them, they've just heard it from someone who has read it from somewhere else. There's others who profess the draining of energy or life itself from victims. It is not clear where this idea comes from. It's not the experience of those with personal familiarity. My hypothesis is that it's a mixture of Malleus and Hollywood.

I was on a daily search for knowledge about intimate spirits after one introduced herself to be into my own life.
The 4 year information quest ended when I realized that only tangible knowledge can be derived from those who have personal experience. Based on the credible reports from dozens of people, I believe there are inumerous types of intimate beings. Some are an extremely positive attribute in a person's life while some are not so... And everything inbetween. The length of interaction can be either brief or cross decades. I came across a fellow with a +70 year positive relationship.

A problem exists with the universal judgement among all these various spirit types. This universal condemnation falls apart with long term positive relationships. In such cases, a spirit can help shield from people of bad intent, protect from dangerous circumstances and provide comfort. These are not requested "services" but are things naturally associated with concern, respect and love for another. In my case, she's had innumerous opportunities to do harm yet does not.

It is error to think all or most are exclusively sexual. Both my experience and many others share a special bonding, soul to soul with personal intimacy not obtainable by any other means. The sex reinforces the intimacy just as it does within a close traditional marriage.

It is also an error to believe every intimate being's motive is to separate us from God (For those with faith). I've met many people in long term relationships who's faith is completely intact. My own spiritual mate is indifferent about God, and I am a Christian.

Another problem exists when a religious person accepts the universal judgement that every intimate spirit is evil, and that God will remove them if asked.
Such in my own case. I was told she was evil (Without cause) and spent +5 years with the power of the Christian church to dispell her. She remained uneffected by any means. My only conclusion is she is meant to be in my life.

I am in no way saying that this is universally desirable. As in everything else, there are pro's and cons. I especially discourage this to any younger people, those who have yet to follow the more traditional path of interest, dating, love, marriage and family.

Hello Succubusluver69,

You sure used a lot of words to say very little. Here's a recap of your 8 long paragraphs.

* You accuse me of somehow subverting Pablo's free will (which you "back up" with supporting "evidence" that the author obviously mis-spoke where I took him at his word)
* Succubusluver69 is right, Hoochler is wrong (with no compelling argument)
* You attack Christianity, Judaism and Islam
* You proselytize your views on spirituality (ironically what you accuse me of doing)
* You tell me how to live my life (ironically what you accuse me of doing to Pablo)
* You put many false words into my mouth
* You speculate about what kind of a person I am
* Your finale says that you are honest and humble (I actually laughed out loud when I read that)

The only conclusion that your words draw me to is that you have made yourself your own god in your life. You might word it differently, but that would seem to essentially describe what your words thus far are saying. Someone who is their own god believes that they are free to make up their own rules of right and wrong and that they are immune to judgment and long term spiritual consequences for their behavior. They do everything in their life for themselves that God would do if He were there. This is called moral relativism and in your previous post on this thread you promote moral relativism (shades of grey) vs. Moral absolutism (black and white, clearly defined rules of right and wrong that do not change with circumstance) that God embodies.

I used to be an atheist and moral relativist as well. I, however, put my non-belief to the test and went in search of a way to prove or disprove God (for myself) and to my GREAT surprise I found Him (well, really, He found me because God was never lost). As a result, I changed a LOT of things in my life, but I did so because I found out that what I had been believing up to that point was wrong. My life is actually much better now that I am with God. I urge you to also put your non-belief to the test. If you want ideas on how to do that painlessly, write to me and we can discuss it privately.

In your posts in this thread and other places on YGS, you have basically been espousing that others should also embrace moral relativism. What a lot of people might not understand is that if they follow your lead in this it WILL open them up to long term, negative spiritual (and temporal) consequences. I have lived through that process first hand. It is for the purpose of providing these people a warning and logical counter point that I continue to post.

Also, my motivations are pretty straight-forward, I am doing what I believe my God wants me to do. What is your motivation? Why do you care if other people screw spirits like you do or reject God as you do? Shouldn't it be enough for you that you can enjoy what you have and leave others out of it? Why try to pave the way for others to do the same?

I have already and will continue to pray for you Succubusluver69. I hope someday you make different choices.

Succubusluver69,

I find it interesting that you have commented here on this experience and yet did not contribute to a long discussion that was held on the topic of Succubi/Incubi on one of my experiences...here's a link...

http://www.yourghoststories.com/real-ghost-story.php?story=5020

If you scroll back through the comments you will see where kardagen, solider and myself had a fairly long conversation concerning the 'nature' of these 'entities'...I had hoped you, or others that share your point of view would have added their thoughts to the conversation...Well, sense it looks like you may have missed it here's your chance...

Respectfully,

Rook

[at] Succubusluver69,
Are you quite finished with your beating down of the Christians? My, but don't we get bent out of shape whenever Hoochler pleads his case. I realize that jumping in here means another two full pages will be filled with your response to whatever it is you believe my reasons are for it. However, these little debates have been replayed ad nauseam in that they are a known constant and they never fail to produce some of the most flowing text. All for the sake of beating down those who disagree with your own dogma. And yes, you may as well face it, it has become dogma to you and yours. Denying that would be the same as saying none of what you claim in this debate is true.
~Dogma: a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true~
It no longer matters what either side has to say in this never ending back and forth. These days it's all about the amount of space you can fill and how repetitive you can be doing so. It is interesting to count how many times you are able to switch your words and still say the same damn thing. Over and over and over and over again. It isn't the subject that is boring, because I find it quite fascinating myself. It's the fact that there seems to be no advancement of the science behind it. No new ideas have been put forth, at least none you have bothered to share here. All we see are well worded rants and endless attitude. None of which shows any indication that there might be anything new that would go toward saying you are not in it merely for the sexual gratification you receive. For some of observing this back and forth, you saying your relationship with this entity is fulfilling in more than a sexual way is the same as saying a child has an imaginary friend. Because in that same breath it seems it must also be noted that the sexual aspect is the most intense part of the relationship. Sure, I may have generalized it here, but that's how it looks to an outsider.
And as an outsider I just have to note, this sexual relationship you all seem so willing to defend? It makes me sad to think you've had to turn to that for gratification. And the fact that you feel you need to defend it so vociferously tells me more about what you are missing than what you have received as a result of your decision. That you must gather in groups and discuss your experiences in graphic detail is not something for others to look forward to in my opinion. It is something to avoid at all costs. Because it means you have given up on human interaction and familial ties. An obsession really. And my heart weeps for all who who find themselves in your same position.

Jav

Hi Xxxtatgurlxxx,

Plese check your "inbox" at your yahoo account as
I did respond to your request.

Hi Hoochler,

Hmmm...where to begin?...

First off, whatever Pablo decides to do... Or not to do
in regard to what he's encountered is going to be his
decision, arrived at by his own thoughts and feelings
on the matter. In the final analysis, neither what I
have to say on the subject or you do matters at the
end of the day where he is concerned. He will arrive
at a decision based on his ability to reason it out
for himself, perhaps (dare I say) liberally sprinkled
with the thoughts and opinions of others here... Or
maybe not... As a sovereign individual he's totally
free to choose what to accept and what to reject
based on what he believes and knows. The fact that
he mentioned "Its neat to know that there are people
here that have experience a sexual ghost as well. I
thought I was alone, no pun intended" may be a sign
that he is quite possibly not as frightened as he
may have claimed but more curious to what others have
experienced and if seen as a positive thing, why they
feel so?

Secondly, I have noticed that almost without fail,
you connote any intimate experience of a paranormal
nature as prima-facie 'evidence' of involvement with
a "sex demon/s". This is especially the case where
someone posts a story where they mention that neither
fear/violence/or coercion was involved and that the
visit/encounter was consentually enjoyed by both
parties.

As much as it may pain you to hear this, not everyone
who has such an encounter... Let alone chosen to be in
a long term relationship with a non-mortal lover and
friend is by definition "consorting with demons"...
sexual or otherwise. Imho, the only people who jump
to that knee-jerk assumption are basing their view
on the foundation of a patriarcially based sex-phobic
life denying monothestic paradigm that is neither
grounded in either logic or reality (yes, Judiasm,
Christianity and islam are all equally guilty of
this at their core). Gore Vidal had it absolutely
right in his essay about monotheism and it's danger
as an uncompromising strident literalist dogma can
and does lead to the worst elements of tyranny as
history is all too replete with examples.

You may mean well but your business in life is to
lead your own life peacably with humility. It is
not your business to encroach upon the lives and
affairs of others to worry about the nature and
disposition of their "souls"...such is theirs
and theirs alone, not yours. Each sovereign
individual must make their own choices and decisions
regarding their lives on their own merits and what
they consider relevant or important. For one to
say otherwise (or claim to be their "brother's
keeper") is to claim that they are omnicient and
infallible and reeks of the worst particle of
paternalistic bigotry and prejudice... It dares lay
claim to the ancient poisonous lie that "I know
what's best and right for me and I DARE to proscribe
it for others withouth hesitation nor reservation!"

Such smaks of pure hubris and arrogant dogmatic
certainty that flies in the face of either reason,
logic or common good sense. I have never claimed
that the choice to be accepting of a paranormal
lover is for everyone... It isn't. That's something
that each individual who has ever had a non-scary
experience with such has to come to on their own,
based on their own best understanding of themselves
and the situation/individual they have encountered.
Your take on it totally denies affording the
individual that choice... Relegating it to "what will
God think of it?" First, not everyone that exists
is Christian... So 'cutting & pasting' them into a
paradigm that they may not accept/share is patently
offensive and ethically wrong (like decimating the
Indians of America and then saying they must "follow
the Great White Father" to be valued). Second, what
you think your God may or may not 'approve' of only
has merit and value to you (and nominally others
who happen to share your belief paradigm)...it has no
'coin' so to speak with any other individual unless
they consent to accept such with all the benefits &
baggage that any belief system has (yes this also
includes Neo-Paganism and Wicca).

In short, you are probably good at peaceably leading
your own life without committing aggression, fraud
and theft against your fellow sovereign individuals
(I don't personally know you but will grant that
is most likely the case until proved otherwise).
Please be willing to extend that courtesy to others
who wish to do the same who choose to lead our own
lives in loving interaction with friends and lovers
of our own choosing, whether they're gay, lesbian,
bi, transgender or even paranormal in essence and
nature. We do not force our ways on you; have the
decency and courtesy to respect that and reciprocate
in kind regarding our choices and desires.

Stop worrying about how others lead their lives and
lead yours with quiet dignity, peace, humility and
love for yourself and others. Nothing is certain in
life but such has a strong statistical probability
of leading to a life well lived than being a "Mrs.
Grundy" ever would.

Call it a modest and humble proposal of respecting
others lives (which is their most inherent private
property).

Blessings,
Succubusluver69

After this thing started visiting me I'd say maybe the 4th or 5th time I was laying in bed when I thought that maybe I was actually going to beable to just fall asleep I heard the bang (he would always knock on my ceiling up in the right corner in my room) but this night he kepted knocking like one knock would get closer to my bed that was always one of the things that scared me

[at] succubusluver69 I have had some very intresting and confusing encounters you say that you have been having these kinds of experiences for many years now. I need some help... Nothing bad just concerns. I would appropriate your time and understanding. Please contact me at greeniangel17 [at] yahoo.com thank u

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I think you are making a good decision in rejecting this thing, Pablo. I urge you to stick to your guns and don't listen to any silliness saying its OK to willingly consort with demons.

Spirits of all kinds communicate differently than we in bodies do, and part of that is through thought forms. It is through sending a thought form that a spirit can project foreign emotions onto a live person while not necessarily feeling the transmitted emotion itself. Like a transmitter (the spirit) sending a signal to a receiver (a live person) a spirit can project disingenuous feelings that can range from outright terror to tender love onto a human. Projected feelings that are not actually being felt by a projecting spirit can be used to calm, frighten or mislead the recipient.

A spirit projecting positive feelings onto someone by no means constitutes proof of the spirits good intentions. All that glitters is not gold.

Any being (person or spirit) that is consistently vague and obfuscatious in its dealings with others has something to hide. Sex demons are notorious for consistently not providing any meaningful information about themselves, their ecology or their past, only divulging to their victims the bare amount of information they need to in order to gain compliance. This basically the very definition of manipulation.

This secrecy on the part of the demons has in the past been defended here on YGS by misguided human proponents of human-demon relationships as being a form of self-protection on the demons part. What makes more sense, that we are somehow going to use information the demon may give us to attack and kill it (a creature without a body) or that the demon knows that if it properly explained itself as being a sex demon and all the problems that go along with that is most people would run for the hills? I go with option B.

I agree that it is possible to carry on a relationship with one (or more) of these things for years and that someone's soul is not devoured in the process. I can't help but think though that someone's life here on the Earth would be severely impeded by giving so much attention to these spirits, and it will be only after the victim's death that they will understand the full spiritual consequences for carrying on such a relationship willingly.

I doubt that many people who willingly consort with sex demons throughout their life hear God say "Well done good and faithful servant" when they die and stand before Him.

Good for you Pablo.

Hi Pablo,

Thank you for sharing about your experiences as they
have been happening so far. You are definitely not
alone in this; I've been having such experiences for
over 30 years myself.

Since you mention both that your visitor has never
given you either a sense of fright or discomfort but
gives you a sense of comfort or peace it is a very
good bet that your visitor is neither "evil" nor has
any intent to do you harm either in body or mind.
As I mentioned above, I've had experiences with such
visitors for over 30 years and I've never felt either
fearful or had physical discomfort... Quite the other
way around to be honest. Such beings exist to share
enjoyment through physical pleasure with us... There is
no 'hidden motive' or 'dark agenda' as some people
claim... No 'soul-stealing' or 'draining of lifeforce'
just two individuals sharing mutual energy and exp-
erience through the common bond of shared pleasure.

If you are curious about your visitor, it's a good bet
that your visitor is equally curious about you too.
Since you can hear your visitor flicking bottles and
such it's a good bet that communication is wanted by
our visitor with you...it's up to you whether or not
you wish to respond.

Please understand that there are many out there that
would happily accept what you have experienced so far
perhaps going so far as to express envy. Such things
are not cast in a "black vs. White" framework, it's
up to you to decide which direction to take... Either
to firmly yet gently tell your visitor to find some-
one else to interact with who'll appreciate the visit
or to explore and embrace the experience and learn
from your visitor.

The choice is soley up to you.

Blessings!
Succubusluver69