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Pjod (3 stories) (978 posts)
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13 years ago (2012-03-26)
Ease up Jessica... Vidya is the "end all" of knowledge and experience when it comes to the paranormal/supernatural. Crossing her is risky, as the woman in the above story will soon discover.
JessicaWishon1989 (6 stories) (57 posts)
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13 years ago (2012-03-26)
I read your story once. Not quite understanding every metaphor or phenomenon. Then I started reading the comments. And I started understanding better. Firstly, I would like express how heartless you were by saying the lost babies never had souls. And I read your comment on how THE ONE PARTICULAR soul that dwelled within the mothers womb was looking for that perfect baby to inhabit. I would like to express to you that each being with a heartbeat, has a soul. The heart starts beating just 2 weeks after conception. Usually before a woman knows she is even pregnant yet. I did take offence to this, Because I am a christian. I do believe in my ways. I do not follow everything in Christianity because I am also a woman of reason and medicine! But I took offence because I myself have had 3 miscarriages. And I know, being a christian that each one of my pregnancies had their own soul and spirit, That I will meet with again when I die and go to heaven to be with them! I am pregnant for the 4th time. So far so good. My baby has a healthy heartbeat and is growing well. And I know this child like the others has it's OWN soul! I am just under 15 weeks. I have never made it past 8 1/2 weeks gestation! I didn't quite understand what you meant by "peeking into the mothers womb to see an evil black demon face" obviously you didn't actually do that. So I take that as a metaphor. I also take it you have probably never been pregnant. Let alone lost an unborn child. If you are a christian as you so claim to be, then why are you so quick to pass judgement? God himself says, Only he can judge people. I try to be open-minded... So I won't be quick to stereotype you as you did this Amish family. But I truly do think that you're being hypocritical with your words. You are wanting this family to open up upon spiritual things and have more of an open mind when doing so. Maybe before you're quick to speak you should think before you do! Your very first sentences say how judgmental you are. That they are probably poor or do not like black people. If you have to use the word probably... Then you do not know this for a fact.

I also would like to comment on the others as well. Though I have my dearest sympathies for Miracles and acuteangels and the others who have also lost. But again I would have to say, not to be so quick in expressing negativity. Though I know it is hard to hold a tongue especially when the words being said can unknowingly put the poster at risk for expressing something he or she doesn't know who or why it'll effect any given person! I was offended by what she said. As I will probably never get over my losses!

But, Vidya_amani... You do have to understand that this is a ghost website... And personal references to real life events that aren't supernatural can be offensive! I pray that you never have to ever lose a child... Born or not... It is a terrible thing to have to go through. I Wish this upon no one. And I pray to you that next time you aren't so quick to get up in someones face/Computer screen! Don't be quick to be harsh. And May the spirit of whomever you worship reside with you!

God bless,
Jessica
Miracles51031 (39 stories) (5000 posts) mod
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13 years ago (2012-03-23)
Darn granny, you beat me to it. Oh, and good morning 😊.

I was just going to say something along the lines of "Vidya, you have managed to piss off more than a handful of people in the last couple of days. Watch your step and your tongue or you're going to find your comments deleted."
zzsgranny (18 stories) (3329 posts) mod
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13 years ago (2012-03-23)
vidya: Slow down, honey... From what I know of Amish/Mennonites (having lived around them most of my life) is that they are a self supporting society... I don't know a lot about Amish in South Africa, but I'm assuming they are basically the same where ever in the world they happened to colonize... So my question is, are all "farmers" in South Africa Amish?...

One of the things I find fascinating about you is how you are so quick to categorize people and use stereotypical slurs while professing to being open-minded...And through your "open-mindedness" you've managed to create your own little world where only you are in "the know" and completely right about everything...

I guess what I'm trying to say is: "Stop making others a victim to your intolerance when you are a victim to your own ignorance.!"

Have a nice day!😊
Trix (14 stories) (407 posts)
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13 years ago (2012-03-23)
Just like I thought...typical...HELLO...let me correct you because it seems that the lift is going up but don't open here with you. You are insulting everyone left right and centre here and expect everyone's going to cheer you. To lose a child for a woman is a terrible experience, and who give you the right to say what you did about it too. Another thing to do your own work doesn't mean 'racist' like you want it to be... It means the opposite of LAZY"-do you get it. Go and look up CRIMINAL in the dictionary then you will actually realize what it mean. Common sense can be so uncommon sometimes. Actually this is supposed to be a ghost site and not a political one. I apologize to the other readers.
Trix.

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adsouza (guest)
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13 years ago (2012-03-23)
Vidya - If you are going to post an account, and present it in the manner you have done, expect some fireworks honey.
You used the term farm people... And you used the term hillbilly.
What we have done is just show you a friggin mirror. Don't like it? Too bad... Not much can be done about a reflection, can it?

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Trix (14 stories) (407 posts)
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13 years ago (2012-03-23)
Oh my word... Vidya amani... Did you eat "mal pitte" or what? I see it as very rude to curse that woman the way you did with your tongue.
I must also say that the way all South Africans always play the racist card makes me sick. There is nothing wrong with staying on a farm and do your own work. My husband and I do everything ourselves. In South Africa you never know if you invite another criminal into your property. You must wake up girl because it seems that you don't even know what's going on in your own country.
Just for the record-go and read your Bible first before trying to preach to others or even mention things you don't know anything about.
Trix.
adsouza (guest)
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13 years ago (2012-03-23)
OK Vidya - I read your experience another time and also read your comments with your explanations.
You need to mind your own business my friend. You cannot preach to someone about what your beliefs are.

Come to think of it - In my earlier comment I said no woman would take the BS you meted out. Honestly, no man would want to listen to it too. You were just plain lucky that they did not take offense and react. Because as you said - they are 'farm people', my experience with so called 'farm people' has been that they are a completely honest and no nonsense group, lovely people by themselves, great fun to talk to and awesome friends! Not sure if your definition and mine matches... But then that's how opinions are.
vidya_amani (2 stories) (78 posts)
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13 years ago (2012-03-22)
As for demons and all spirits for that regard - all things do have souls and always granted a chance to evolve in the Light by their choice of course... All things which are SPIRIT have souls... But a dead mass of flesh has no soul, it is dead, and not animated by the Spirit... The soul would stick around the mother, not necessarily in the faulty fetus or womb, but as a soul WAITING for the right time to incarnate... Maybe also learning IN THAT TIME more about its future parents before incarnating, to aid them better in their spiritual lessons they came to give them too.

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Pjod (3 stories) (978 posts)
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13 years ago (2012-03-22)
Lazria has a point...
Is not the new testament all about love, acceptance, understanding- teach, guide, help?
Vidya,
you should practice more of what you preach.
Pjod (3 stories) (978 posts)
+1
13 years ago (2012-03-22)
Right. You'll learn them... As soon as their child grows up and rebels, they'll realize they've been mistaken... That they should have never "laughed in your face"- something is just off about this whole story.
lazria (9 stories) (82 posts)
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13 years ago (2012-03-22)
*forgive my rant, but I feel this is important to me*

Vidya_amani,

I have read both of your stories & a lot of your posts. As much as you preach, condemn, malign and speak your faith, IMO - you are full of it.

I am not a Christian, but I have studied it (born into a Mormon faimly) and never "put down" anyone else's faith, belief or religion. We all have our beliefs, our ideas of worship & spirituality and so far, but I see you as nothing more than a spitful, resentfull person that is trying to hold yourself at a "higher" level than those around you who do not perscribe to your version of faith & religion.

If you were really this "better" person, would should have more love, acceptance and understanding in your life/ways and should strive not to belittle those around you, but rather teach, guide and help them.

But as to this story, I don't see it's purpose here, other than another "example" of how you are trying to prove that you are better than those around you. Your comments are mean and you should take other people's views & beliefs into consideration before posting remarks that one would think you could construe as hurtful. Everyone is entitled to their opnions and beliefs, but on an open forum like this it is consider polite to think about others and how they may react to your "views".

And... This is MY OPNION only. You are free to ingore, complain and hate me for it.
Moongrim (2 stories) (871 posts)
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13 years ago (2012-03-22)
Vidya, you walk in the paths of darkness. You'll never know true happiness until you turn away from your vain repetitions and embrace true joy by worshipping the only True God: The Flying Spaghetti Monster!

Ramen!
LuiDesu (3 stories) (13 posts)
+5
13 years ago (2012-03-22)
Vidya - I don't really know how to take this post.

First of all, the family you describe as "farm people" sounds alright to me, they have their own mind and do things their own way, and also I don't see a problem with giving birth at home since this is the way I was born too.
But you keep trying to make them look bad by saying that they are maybe or maybe not poor or racist and live like hill billies.

But seeing your attitude towards a way of living you don't understand I really wonder who the hill billie is in here. No offense.

And in my opinion, you really should mind your own business instead of making assumptions about how the children of other people might turn out, especially if you jump to conclusions like that.

Just saying.
HappySpirit (187 posts)
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13 years ago (2012-03-22)
There is so much wrong with this post that I don't know where to begin. I am usually not this blunt but Vidya, please don't push such delusions on other people. Thank God the mother had the sense to stand up to this nonsense.
Bliss006 (6 stories) (49 posts)
+6
13 years ago (2012-03-22)
I am a mother of 2 and expecting my third baby very soon and I would be highly offended if someone said to me that the child I am carrying has no soul, because that's pure bullshiat. The poor family had to go through tragedies of losing their unborn children and the last thing they need is some wannabe psychic telling them to let it go because the child didn't have a soul anyway. Please get your facts right before you think of writing such stuff as things like these are bound to offend many people.
adsouza (guest)
+6
13 years ago (2012-03-22)
Vidya - Tch Tch... Thats very twisted girl. No woman would want to hear that ever.
rookdygin (24 stories) (4458 posts)
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13 years ago (2012-03-22)
At the risk of 'going Religious' I'm going to say something.

If you believe in the 'Final Resurrection' then you understand that our 'spirit/soul' will be reunited with our perfected physical bodies. This cannot happen unless there is some sort of 'connection' between the 'soul/spirit' and a physical body... This connection happens in the womb.

Its my opinion that the 'miracle of life' begins with the union of 'spirit/soul' to the 'newly started' physical body at the moment of conception therefore our sons or daughters, even the stillborn ones (and Yes my Wife and I have experienced that) are there to meet us when we pass.

I hope this wasn't to religious... I simply wanted to offer my opinion.

Respectfully,

Rook
acuteangles (4 stories) (28 posts)
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13 years ago (2012-03-22)
Don't feel bad, Miracles. I took it personally, too.

For me to think unborn children don't have souls means I won't meet up with mine when I pass on. I'm sorry, but I don't believe that at all. My child is waiting for me up there. Regardless of whether or not the child came out of a vagina, the bond between mother and child is strong. Sometimes, there are things you just know. I know where my child is.
koalagirl (3 stories) (111 posts)
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13 years ago (2012-03-22)
hi thankyou for your story, but I really have to say that all babies born and those miscarried do have a soul and end up in heaven, miracles I totally agree, with you, i really believe this person has crossed the line
Miracles51031 (39 stories) (5000 posts) mod
+13
13 years ago (2012-03-21)
vidya_amani - as a woman who has lost 5 babies, I would like to offer you one small piece of advice.

Personally, I don't care what your religion is, nor do I wish to discuss it with you, but to tell a woman who has suffered the loss of a baby that "the fetus" had no soul? It's hard enough losing a baby, but for someone, I don't give a crap who you are, stranger or friend, to tell her, me, someone you met on the street, that the child we conceived didn't have a soul? Basically you are saying our baby doesn't go to Heaven? Why? Because we didn't give birth? Excuse me but that is bullsh*t!

I hope and pray to God that you don't ever tell a woman who has lost a baby that because you may not be able to stand back up when you do.

And, yes, I took that personally.

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