Comments for Zen, A Well-wisher Or An Ouija Demon: Page 1

dear other com-mentors, I m rechil Jain and I m 19 years old and also a eye witness of the incident mentioned above... So kindly stop saying this a story... 😐 and if you have any questions about the incident, you can ask me...

Rook - thank you 😊

Scary_ritwik - Rook is absolutely right. I meant no offense and honestly, I don't see why that would offend you😕 But that doesn't matter.

I offered the link so our other members would know I didn't make that up. I admitted I knew nothing about Jain, so how would I know that? I submitted proof that I had looked up the religion and was offering you a reason why I questioned the Ouija board.

And since your second name is Jain, does that make your first name Ritwik, as you state in your profile? I checked that too. As Rook said, there's an interesting page associated with it that I haven't shared.

ritwik,

You state in your profile that you are a Jain, as well as it being your 'second name'. Miracles, who wondered what being a Jain entailed, did some research and shared a link so others may get some idea of what that MAY entail. Now its obvious from your comments you are not a strict Jain but all Miracles did was quote from a web site that she left a link for, nothing more and I am SURE she meant no offence.

Oh, by the way, myself and others have more research and not on the Religion Jain. Shall we share what was found on/at another place on-line? If its what I think it is then there is NO WAY you are 16 and this whole 'story' is just that 'A STORY'. Please do not 'pick' on the MODS, Miracles was merely trying to help.

Respectfully,

Rook

Dear Miracles51031,
with all my respect I say this to you and every one else that Jainism is a religion of purity. Look my second name is Jain, but I too have my own thoughts and believes (its modern world). No one can really be a TRUE JAIN (except Lord Mahavira), since its something similar like being our 'Lord Jesus Christ' because we are all Sinners and he is the Son of GOD.
SO please its my sincere request to you and every one else please don't say anything regarding my religion or any one else's.
I can give a very big explaination on Miracles's question but I don't just want to.
And miracles there was NO NEED OF SHAIRING THAT LINK and using those words "go naked rather than own even a simple white cloth."

dear Miracles51031,
I told about my grandma because I just remembered it when you said something about contacting 'deceased loved ones'. (I am sorry to have said it 'just like that') 😢 😢 😢

ritwik,

All I ask is that you 'ask' Zen... If you use your 'board' again... What element they favor, THAT'S the only question I've asked. My question is based on the information provided in your 'story' and only that information.

Miracles has asked others that I had as well, but as they were not part of your actual 'STORY' I did not ask them.

Respectfully,

Rook

vasway,

The 'negative Karma' votes are more than likely due to the fact that ZoZo is a 'Dirty Word' to many members here on site and many discussions have been had concerning the fact that as a 'real entity' ZoZo doesn't really exist.

To be sure there may be a Negative Spirit/Entity that has been attracted to those who 'play' with the board, one that enjoys the 'fear/energy' generated by scaring them and it takes on that 'Name' in order to help that type of environment be generated. But ZoZo the Demon... No I don't think so.

Of course I don't think Mr. Zaffiss is a creditable 'expert' when it comes to the paranormal... But that is of course MY OPINION and I'm sticking to it.

Respectfully,

Rook

I just realized I made a mistake in my earlier comment: I said that Zaffiss believes Zozo to be a demigod & I mispoke when I said that. I meant to say that Zaffiss believes Zozo to be a deity. Just wanted to clarify, and the point I was trying to make in my earlier post is that perhaps the entity you encountered was Zozo. I don't know why I received bad karma marks from whomever. I feel that my information was pertinent to Ritwik's story. Also Ritwik, there is a story on this website called "A warming to Ouija users" by Darren that discusses encounters with Zozo if you are curious.

Zen Doesnt seem bad, just confused.
Maybe if you want to use the board again, ask how you can help?

Dear Ritwik,
I must ask to stop immediatly with these "sessions" you are doing. Because using a board to contact spirit is actually forcing your channels to be "tuned" so contact is possible. And I think you are grown-up enough to know that forcing things NEVER go the way you want.
If I was you I would go search a teacher who wants to teach you how to meditatie the right was so you can "naturally" open up your third eye, because you really seem to be interested in that...

Seeing you ignoring everyone else their advice I rather think you are obsessed with this...

I wish you the best but not if you are ignoring zen. Because you just want zen to leave so you can play with that board again, I also recommend an active hobby for you

Circle circle, dot dot. Now you've got your demon shot.
/facepalm

ritwik: Well, there you go! Exactly the information you've been fishing for 😆.

By the way, Miracles' question is very relevant to this scenario. If you're using your spirit board (or Ouija board, or whatever the h#ll you want to call it) to drag spirits into this realm for the purpose of your own entertainment then your INTENT is not altogether honorable. And since your religion is based on Karma, you have to know that what you're doing is really, really bad Karma.

I'm going to bow out of this thread as I've had my say about what I believe.

When I read your account, I noticed something that I feel that I should share. I understand that when you asked the entity it's name the planchette went back and forth between the letters "Z" and "N", and when you asked if Zen was the entity's name, it replied "yes". I'm not trying to say that Zen isn't the spirit you were talking to, but your account reminded me of something I had read about a few months ago. Many people who have used a Ouija board have come into contact with an entity named Zozo (sometimes also spelled Zoso). The planchette going back & forth between the letters "Z" and "N" made me wonder if perhaps the entity you were talking with was trying to go to the letters "Z" and "O", since the letter "o" is next to the letter "n"? I have read many people's accounts of dealing with Zozo and one person is either writing a book or making a movie on the "Zozo phenomenon" (sorry I can't remember which). From what I've read when Zozo is present, it will make the planchette go back and forth between "z" and "o" repeatedly, often not answering any of the user's questions. Zozo has also been known to count down through the alphabet or numbers in order to manifest or possess someone. Many believe Zozo to be a demon, but John Zaffiss, who is a paranormal expert, demonologist, and even had his own show, Haunted Collector, believes that Zozo is not a demon as people in today's time define what a demon is. He believes that Zozo is a demigod, meaning that he (it) pre-dates organize religion. I undertand what that means but it seems wether he is a demon or demigod, he is still evil. Everything i'm telling you is only what I have read in the internet. I haven't had any encounters with Zozo as I will not use a Ouija board anymore from all the negative stories I have read and heard. I did have a Ouija board when I was in 4th grade that I only used a few tmes and had one weird experience which I can share another time as a story. I don't know if this helps you at all, but I felt a need to share this information with you. I tried writing this post to you 2 nights ago but couldn't get internet reception for over a day (i'm on my phone) & now I'm in the same spot & getting Wifi just fine; then yesterday I typed up a comment and it got accidentally deleted before I could send it. Not that it means anything, but I thought that was a little strange,. Of course you can get in the internet and read about Zozo. However, if I were you I would not use any Ouija board ever again: you are dealing with the unknown and it's not worth the risk. I wish you the best!

I think zen is good, I think the other spirits leave as he does not believe in god, and the others do.

scary_ritwik - I'm not sure if your comment "but right now this doesn't matters" relates to contacting your grandmother or my question. If it pertains to my question, I actually think it does matter.

Since I had never heard of the Jain religion, I googled it. And I read on several different sites that Jains practice non-attachment with the material world. Some sects even "go naked rather than own even a simple white cloth." (http://www.religionfacts.com/jainism/practices.htm) I realize you probably don't belong to this group, but I was giving an example.

So the reason I asked about the spirit board was because it is a possession.

Dear rook,
thank you for explaining again 😳 this time I got most of it. As for your question, Yes I open all my sessions by asking "Ouija are you there?" I always do that.
And since you said "Provided you haven't spun a very good 'tale' which has everyone fooled. I do not think so, but anything is possible."
I say this is ALL my TRUE story, and I am ready to answer each and every questions. So everyone feel free to ask me anything...

Dear Miracles51031,
What you asked is something what I can't answer so clearly. It began out of curiosity and my interest in paranormal. And it grew since most of my attempts have been successful. I have never communicated any of my relatives etc. Once I had tried to contact my maternal grand mother but I didn't got her (but right now this doesn't matters)
Thank you

dear Isolde,
I got that Zen is a "He" firstly because of his name (When for the first time I had contacted him, and in all the sessions where he appears, 'I' FELT his presence as of a male spirit/entity) And secondly "Aghani" also spelled out (Its exactly what was spelled)
* when HE come all go.
And my cousin Rechil too considers Zen as male spirit/entity.
(does 'he' or 'she' matters? 😜 😜)

scary_ritwik - what was your purpose in using the spirit board? Some people do it out of curiosity, others for fun, some to contact their deceased loved ones, still others have their own reasons, but what was your intent?

ritwik,

"There are those entities that are 'neither' good nor evil... They do not 'know' God, nor do they 'know' the Devil they simply 'are'."

Its a completely Neutral Entity. Its not 'good', its not 'evil' it simply 'is'.

They do not know 'God' nor do they know the 'Devil'. They are truly Neutral.

Hope that's a bit clearer.

Next...

"I have to agree with some of the other posters... You are using a 'home made' Spirit/Talking Board a Ouija Board is a 'game' that is mass produced by a game company and can be even more risky than your Homemade Board because your board has been made with your request for 'Blessings' and Shield's in place before you begin.

I commend you on that but your 'opening question' leaves yourself 'wide open' to absolutely ANYTHING coming through and making contact with you.

Do you really open your 'session' by Asking...

"Ouija are you there?"

Who is Ouija? Or better yet, think about all the 'bad/negative' experiences people have with actual Ouija Boards... Has it ever crossed your mind that by asking, "Ouija are you there?" You may be 'opening yourself' to making contact with all that negativity or the 'so called' negative spirits people say they have encountered when they have used a Ouija Board and not just the spirits you are used to when you use your 'Board'."

I started that 'big, long quote by saying that what you are doing is better than using a 'game board' that can be bought in almost any store with a toy section, I say that because when you make your Spirit/Talking Board you ask for Heavenly Fathers Protection... You 'bless the board' asking that only 'good' or 'nice' spirits/entities make contact while you are using it. These things did not happen, nor do most people even think about doing them, when they 'play' with the Board.

I think all of what you do when you make your board is a 'Good Thing' however using the board by yourself is Not, NOT really a safe way to use one. What if you have made contact with a Spirit/Entity that is too strong for you and you are unable to close the 'board' after making contact?

Then there is the 'call' you make when you 'Open' the Board...

"Ouija are you there?"

'Ouija' is a type of 'Talking/Spirit Board... It is a 'NAME' brand produced as a Game, a game that has many negative 'encounters' surrounding its use... By 'calling it' when you begin using yours you may be 'tapping' into the negative energy that has built up because of the 'misuse' of the 'mass produced' game board.

As for what I said about 'Zen' I 'feel' I know what type of Entity it may be and if you really wanted to find out for yourself I suggested a question you could ask 'Zen' and I have already informed Granny and Miracles of what I believe it 'MAY' be. (Provided you haven't spun a very good 'tale' which has everyone fooled. I do not think so, but anything is possible.)

Does that help?

Respectfully,

Rook

dear Celestial,
thanks for the link. I can't say anything but I liked the picture of Zen... 😊 😊 Every one should see it 😜

Dear rook,
Thanks for your explaination. But I didn't got most of it 😕 but yet it seems really useful and important. PLEASE explain it to me more clearly what you tried to explain.

ritwik,

"No one has answered my question, that how to make Zen leave for ever? May be rook can help me (he is my favorate poster, i've been reading stories here from a long time) "

I am flattered...😳

There are those entities that are 'neither' good nor evil... They do not 'know' God, nor do they 'know' the Devil they simply 'are'.

I have to agree with some of the other posters... You are using a 'home made' Spirit/Talking Board a Ouija Board is a 'game' that is mass produced by a game company and can be even more risky than your Homemade Board because your board has been made with your request for 'Blessings' and Shield's in place before you begin.

I commend you on that but your 'opening question' leaves yourself 'wide open' to absolutely ANYTHING coming through and making contact with you.

Do you really open your 'session' by Asking...

"Ouija are you there?"

Who is Ouija? Or better yet, think about all the 'bad/negative' experiences people have with actual Ouija Boards... Has it ever crossed your mind that by asking, "Ouija are you there?" You may be 'opening yourself' to making contact with all that negativity or the 'so called' negative spirits people say they have encountered when they have used a Ouija Board and not just the spirits near you when you use your 'Board'.

Additionally, I DO NOT recommend using a Talking/Spirit Board ALONE. What happens if (WHEN) the time comes the 'spirit' you contact is stronger than you and you can not make it leave... Where does that leave you?

I think 'Zen' means well and is giving you a warning. This spirit is not 'something' you can really to get rid of, it will go away on its own if you HEED its warning. It is 'something' you want to listen to.

IF IF IF you really must know 'where/what' Zen comes from or is... Ask which element best represents them...I'll tell the mods what I think and you can share the answer you get with us and we'll see if I'm correct... Or you can take 'Zen's' Advice and stop using the Board...

There you have it, my opinion. Thanks for sharing and keep us posted one way or the other.

Respectfully,

Rook

Whatever Zen is... I think he/she is trying to warn you. Those things (as well as spirit board) are nothing to play around with. It's not often a spirit will tell you to stop (demon...whatever he/she may be) so be smart and leave it alone. Some things are better left undisturbed and unknown. Even if he/she is only telling you to stop because he/she knows you will return... Stop while you're ahead! 😐

Ritwik, why are you asking people on the internet how to get rid of Zen for good? Zen has already told you how to get rid of him for good.

Isolde: You stated: "For the part that a spirit/entity is not 100% positive or 'good' and still help you for whatever reason it has. Well, if you figure out that, tell me so, cause I'm still pondering on that one myself." My opinion is that this entity isn't a demon or angel, I feel it's a human spirit. Just my opinion, mind you 😊. So, as humans, none can say that they're 100% positive or negative for that matter. A good example of that would be Robert Stroud (AKA 'The Birdman of Alcatraz'). He was one of the most notorious criminals in American history. But he loved every one of his birds as his children, and legend holds that he was reduced to tears when he was told he could no longer raise them. (He actually never had birds in Alcatraz, but raised them in Leavenworth) The point of all that jibber-jabber is we as humans can never be purely evil or good. Geez, I don't even know if that's what you were asking 😆, so if I screwed up again please forgive me. And I'm calling "Zen" a he just as a means of personifying this entity. Could be a "she" I guess! To me "he" just sounds better than "it" LOL.

Ritwik: Isolde's post makes so much sense. Please read it over a few times if you have to until it sinks in.
😊

Hi,

You asked how you made him leave? Well, he only shows up when you using the Ouija/spirit board for a long time (as you wrote) and you're well into the ritual? So, maybe he isn't close around, but has to come from another place? So, maybe he isn't around you otherwise. I guess he'll stop showing up, if you stop calling on the spirits that way.

But from what you wrote, I get the picture that you don't want to stop and you want to continue your seances without being interrupted by him.
So, the question you're really asking is how to do your seance without him showing up, right?
That, I don't know, but maybe someone else here can help you with that answer.

For the part that a spirit/entity is not 100% positive or 'good' and still help you for whatever reason it has. Well, if you figure out that, tell me so, cause I'm still pondering on that one myself.

Additional question: how do you know it is a 'he'?

Respectfully,

Isolde

http://greatplainsbuddha.com/demon-zen
I found this site, I don't know if it will help or not. 😳

No one has answered my question, that how to make Zen leave for ever?😕 May be rook can help me (he is my favorate poster, i've been reading stories here from a long time) 😐

I think that you should take heed to what was said during your last session and walk away from the board. You were give a warning and you should appreciate it.

I wish the best for you.

ritwik: I'm not saying he's "your protector" as in a guardian or guide. You said yourself he won't commit to being "of the sun or the moon", so maybe he's neither. I feel (hope) when posed the "sun or moon" question anyone who's honest with themselves would answer the same way. As for loving God, I think you need a reality check as not everyone feels that way. Some don't believe in God so how can they love someone/thing they don't believe exists?

So yeah, I echo mwbddh2: "Most things in life are not as clear as white and black, most fall into a shade of grey."

I feel that all this entity wants to do is help you see you're playing with fire. He doesn't want to hear any of the other BS questions because he wants to drive home his point. "He ain't got time for all dat!" 😆

SN, I think that you shouldn't be seeing these entities as "good" or "bad". Those are relative terms, as complex as asking if you're a good or bad entity... We are and can be both. The sun may be positive and the moon negative (among many other things) but neither positive nor negative means good or bad. I recommend trying to contact him via a different method, such as meditation. Most things in life are not as clear as white and black, most fall into a shade of grey.

ritwik, No no no. If the spirit board is the same as ouija then I would NOT mess with it either. Since you had mentioned using the spirit board, I thought perhaps you had the same experiance there.
Why do you think going to the sun means the spirit is actually good? Do you not think that a bad spirit would/could lie just to gain your confidence and make you easy prey? Of course they can lie, and mislead.
I wish I could be of more help, but I really do not know much on this matter. Do more research about the boards before attempting either one again. Do this for your own safety.

I don't understand is he a Good or a Bad spirit because the planchette never actually goes over the Sun or Moon.
😕
Dear valkricry and zzsgranny, if he is my Protector or Guardian then why doesn't he answered that wether he loves God. Can any one explain this?

How to make Zen leave for ever. Is he attached to my board? I mean would making a new one shall do it? Or if I conduct my sessions at some other place then? 😕

thank you every one for reading my story and for the comments. I've got many other questions about my experience besides finding who Zen is😕😕

Dear valkricry,
I haven't used Indian spirit board much but i've expertised in Ouija. I don't have a spirit board but now I will surely make one I really liked your idea. THANKYOU VERY MUCH.
😁😁

Dear ritwik,
Thanks for the explination! I was really very curious as here in America the two 'spirit board' and 'ouija' are interchangable terms. And when I saw you were from India, I just had to ask!
When you use your spirit board, Zen doesn't do the same things? Do the same rules as for Ouija apply to the Indian spirit board, even? The idea is the same - to contact the spirit world, no? Educate me on this please.
I believe 'nitwik' was really just a typo on the parts of zzsgranny, and Pjod. To my knowledge it doesn't mean anything, they're just apologizing for having typed your name wrong. Just as they would if they called you the wrong name by mistake. Like Jeff instead of David.
~Val

dear Valkricry,
I said "spirit board (the indian one) ". Well in that we have numbers and some 'words' written in Hindi, some speciel symbols and horoscopic-symbols (dipicted in some indian manner). And in an Ouija as I have (though its home-made) there are numbers and English alphabets, a Sun on left and Moon on right coner, a YES-NO, GOODBYE and a heading OUIJA.

Dear zzsgranny and Pjod its absolutely alright. By the way what does nitwik means 😕😁😆

I am sorry in the last line I wrote "I am if you got confused by my narration" instead of "I am SORRY if you got confused by my narration. A Sorry for my mistake.

scary_ritwik: First I have a question, I thought spirit boards and ouijas were the same thing. Can you tell me how they're different?
Secondly, I'm going with zzsgranny on this one. This Zen may well have been protecting you. Think about it, he (I'm assuming it's a he) blocks your attempts to use the ouija until you give in and close the board. All others leave when he enters - so he must be fairly strong. Am I correct in thinking you feel that he's 'negative' because he makes you close the board? Won't answer any questions, etc? 'Spoils' it for you? Perhaps, he is saving you from something really nasty. From everything I have heard (even from my Dad, whom I was told was very good with it) a ouija is nothing to mess with. As granny points out, sooner or later a big bad might come through. And you SO do not want that to happen.

Listen to Zen. He seems to know about the dangers of Ouija. He might be your guardian even.

Scary_ritwik,
Sooner or later you're going to get burned if you keep playing with fire.

sorry scary_ritwik... I also misspelled your name below...

scary_nitwit,
I'm sure you will get all types of warnings here in the comment section. So, I'll just say- your account sounds familiar in the many cases I've read, as the fuel in starting up a nasty case of oppression.
Maybe you should look into such cases and see for youself- just to avoid any unpleasant circumstances.

Sorry, I misspelled your name 😆 😆 Scary_Ritwik. Crap, I think I need new glasses already 😆

scary_nitwik: Having read this a couple of times, my opinion is that this entity really is a "well-wisher". Ouija boards can be addictive, and eventually, despite all protective measures, you're going to pull in a not-so-nice being. If all the others leave when he comes through, he may be protecting them as well.

My suggestion to you is to stop using the board. Obviously, Zen knows something you don't.